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re: Another one - Paxton Kling to Portal
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:18 pm to NotaStarGazer
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:18 pm to NotaStarGazer
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However, I notice you didn't bother mentioned the RBIs. 34 out of 233 PA is a lot better than 21 out of 173.
I don’t really think it’s “a lot” better. Pearson has mostly been in the middle of the order where Kling has mostly batted 8th or 9th (or lead off, briefly).
I think it’s also worth noting that Klingon is a sophomore while Pearson is a junior. If you look at Pearson’s stats last year, they follow a similar trajectory as Kling’s.
Kling wasn’t hitting for most of the year. It is what it is. But A) he was showing signs of improvement, B) he’s an elite fielder, C) he’s elite on the base path, and D) he has decent ABs despite lack of hitting.
If things click for him and he starts hitting again, he will be a really good player. I’m not going to cry about him leaving but I’m also not going to act like it’s a good thing at all.
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:19 pm to smoke225
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when youre batting below the mendoza line its really really hard to "Do Worse". Getting better and batting 220 is still frickin dogshit.
He raised his batting average up to .220. .220 wasn't his batting average down the stretch. What he did down the stretch wasn't dogshit.
From the Vandy series (04/04) through the end of the season, here were his numbers
57 ABs
15 H (6 2Bs)
12 BB
4 HBP
19 Ks (26.2 K%)
.263 BA
.424 OBP
His first half numbers were
69 ABs
13 Hs (3 2Bs, 1 HR)
12 BBs
11 HBP
24 Ks (26.0 K%)
.188 BA
.391 OBP
Are they All-SEC numbers? No. Are they dogshit numbers? Also no. Did he improve a lot as the season went on? Yes
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:20 pm to Lester Earl
I’m not really agreeing or disagreeing with either of yall but all in all Kling was just a huge disappointment at the plate considering the hype on this guy coming in. He’s better suited at a small college.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:20 pm to bradygolf98
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Well we said all season there would be major roster turnover once we finished up. Here it comes. I'm trusting Jay to bring in the missing pieces.
It’s not looking great
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:20 pm to NotaStarGazer
quote:Points, man. Points!
when at bat is to score runs
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:22 pm to AlwysATgr
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players can and do improve.
Kling didn't. He went from .289 BA to .222 BA from 2023 to 2024. Going in the wrong direction.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:23 pm to lsufball19
quote:Impossible. I read a few pages back that he was an automatic out.
.424 OBP
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:23 pm to chadr07
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He’s better suited at a small college.
He's best suited wherever he can get the most ABs. It's his leverage year. He needs to go wherever he can play, whether that be at another P5 or a mid-major.
Or, if he's still drafted high enough this year with his tools, then he should probably sign and not play more college ball
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:27 pm to lsufball19
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He's best suited wherever he can get the most ABs.
As several posters have said, Kling was given every chance in the world to prove he was starting caliber at LSU at the plate. He proved otherwise. Once again, maybe LSU should have lobbied for a "designated defensive player" position. In the OF of course, he was fine.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:27 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Kling didn't. He went from .289 BA to .222 BA from 2023 to 2024. Going in the wrong direction.
Pearson went from .299 to .226 his freshman to sophomore year.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:29 pm to NotaStarGazer
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As several posters have said, Kling was given every chance in the world to prove he was starting caliber at LSU at the plate. He proved otherwise. Once again, maybe LSU should have lobbied for a "designated defensive player" position. In the OF of course, he was fine.
why are you responding to my post with this?
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:29 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Pearson is being criticized for his low BA....238. Kling's was .222. Even more important is what Johnson said when asked why Pearson was batting cleanup. He was probably the best clutch hitter on the team...to compare him to Kling which is the topic
I didn't intend to compare them head to head. My point was that Kling is a below-average hitter, but the best defender we had in the OF. Pearson is also a below-average hitter, even if he is still better than Kling.
.284 LSU Team BA
.283 SEC average BA
.244 Pearson BA
.222 Kling BA
The main point of my earlier post is that Pearson, Brown, and Larson aren't that great in the field. None of them field good enough to play if they aren't batting really well. I'm not shitting on them. I like all of those guys, especially Pearson. But either those three guys need to improve OR we need to bring in some help in the outfield. The OF was our weak link for a lot of the year. Larson's bat pre-May was great and I think he can duplicate that next year. I would love to see Pearson make a leap forward b/c as of now we have 3 years of him batting a career .256.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:32 pm to lsufball19
I certainly got the impression from your message that more ABs would improve his abilities at the plate. You talked about "leverage year", etc.. If that is what you meant, more ABs is certainly not going to improve on his leverage. My point was he had plenty of ABs to prove his worth and he failed. That is not what I consider "good leverage".
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:35 pm to NotaStarGazer
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I certainly got the impression from your message that more ABs would improve his abilities at the plate. You talked about "leverage year", etc.. If that is what you meant, more ABs is certainly not going to improve on his leverage. My point was he had plenty of ABs to prove his worth and he failed. That is not what I consider "good leverage".
Kling wants to play baseball as a career. To do that, he needs to go somewhere where he'll get the most guaranteed playing time. That clearly isn't going to be at LSU, which is why he entered the portal, but it could be at another P5 or a mid-major. He isn't going to improve his stock sitting on the bench or coming in as defensive sub anywhere. "Leverage" means he's a rising junior. If he has a good year, he can still make some money. Seniors get paid pennies to nothing as a signing bonus. Seniors have no leverage when signing contracts.
What you think of Kling or how good he is as a player is irrelevant to what I'm talking about. It's also the least bit surprising you had no idea what I meant by leverage.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:38 pm to notbilly
I have not seen anyone say that Kling wasn't the best OF. And I have the same opinion about Pearson that Jay Johnson expressed when asked why a guy with his average was batting cleanup. Johnson says he produces in the clutch.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:42 pm to lsufball19
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It's also the least bit surprising you had no idea what I meant by leverage.
I knew what you meant by leverage. My dispute was WHY did you seem to think more ABs would improve his performance and his leverage. You have to do something with more PT, and he had his chances and didn't deliver at the plate. Anyway, this is getting to be beating a dead horse so feel free to have the last word on this. You and I just disagree on his potential.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:49 pm to NotaStarGazer
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WHY did you seem to think more ABs would improve his performance and his leverage. You have to do something with more PT, and he had his chances and didn't deliver at the plate.
So he should just quit baseball would be your advice to him? He gave it a shot for 2 years, didn't do well, so I guess he should just resign himself to being a pinch runner and defensive sub and move on with his life.
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You and I just disagree on his potential.
Well, that's the thing. I don't recall ever speaking of what I think he is or isn't capable of or whether I think he'll progress or not progress a player to live up to the evals he had coming out of high school.
All I've said ITT is why he was rated what he was coming out of high school, why Jay and others thought highly of him, that he did in fact improve from the start to the end of this season, and the likely path he needs to take if he's ever going to make it as a baseball player.
Moffett is in the portal for the same reason Kling is. The most valuable commodity for a rising junior who has a desire to play professional baseball is playing time. Neither had any guarantees of that staying at LSU
You're just hell bent on drawing inferences and assumptions that simply aren't there.
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 1:50 pm to boomtapp
Two seasons based on potential and that’s it. There are already two true freshman better than him. Kling was penciled in as a starter at the start of the season but he was just bad. Jay needs production and speed he will go to the portal and get it. Good luck to Kling and I hope it works out for him. He has a championship ring and was on the GOAT team. Nobody loses here 
This post was edited on 6/11/24 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 6/11/24 at 3:05 pm to NotaStarGazer
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Clutch hitting IS the thing! As far as "data" goes, you consider your fictional nonsense and ignorant opinions as "data".
Your eye test is better than hard data?
We already know your eye tests have yielded abysmal results
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