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re: An offensive breakdown for you guys
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:42 am to SlowFlowPro
this thread is going to be fun.
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STAT BATTLE!1!!
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Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:42 am to josh336
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Florida will probably win that by a good bit, they put 51 on LSU and 63 on Kentucky
plus i'd keep it in regulation to compare and then have LSU's OT stats as a separate category
people could choose to use those however they wished
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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plus i'd keep it in regulation to compare and then have LSU's OT stats as a separate category
Well done. We can always count on you to diminish any of LSU's accomplishments.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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if i have time today, and this thread is still going, i'm going to do an SEC average for both teams
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i'm posting 1 thing on here, b/c i've banned myself from the rant until next monday
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:45 am to drexyl
oh, forgot FLa put 56 on south carolina, they'll win that ppg comparison in a landslide
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:46 am to Baloo
I dont feel the need to answer 50 questions about some hypothetical comparison that I've never made so you can practice your debate skills. I'm sure there are certain stats that anyone could cherry pick form a bunch of great teams that look worse than LSU 07, I dont really think it changes Jacob Hester up the middle for 2 yards on every first down that year or Ryan Perriloux not even having the option to pass 99% of the time when 10 men are stacked in the box for SEC games during his little package etc etc.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
That's a good effort Slow. Seriously. It does show that Florida's O was more of a quick strike threat. But I still don't think that a 1.3 yards per play difference rebuts the overall numbers that LSU's offense has been comparable to Florida's, even though their reputations are not.
Instead of automatically trying to refute the numbers, can you at least acknowledge that you were surprised at how comparable the offenses were when you take a step back?
Also, not that I don't trust you, but where did you get those numbers? LSU running 180 more plays than Florida is pretty surprising.
Instead of automatically trying to refute the numbers, can you at least acknowledge that you were surprised at how comparable the offenses were when you take a step back?
Also, not that I don't trust you, but where did you get those numbers? LSU running 180 more plays than Florida is pretty surprising.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:51 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:51 am to Maximus
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I dont feel the need to answer 50 questions
I only counted 5
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:57 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/9/09 at 8:59 am to omegaman66
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This is an urban legend. I checked the facts and the bcs has never award more than one trophy per year.
Learn to read. Who said anything about the BCS. The appropriate term was championship. But dont just take my word for it
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2000
Oklahoma 13-0 Won Orange Bob Stoops
2001
Miami (FL) 12-0 Won Rose Larry Coker
2002
Ohio State 14-0 Won Fiesta Jim Tressel
2003
LSU (BCS) 13-1 Won Sugar Nick Saban
USC (AP) 12-1 Won Rose Pete Carroll
2004 USC 13-0 Won Orange Pete Carroll
2005
Texas 13-0 Won Rose Mack Brown
2006**
Florida Won BCS National Championship Game Urban Meyer
2007
LSU Won BCS National Championship Game Les Miles
2008
Florida Won BCS National Championship Game Urban Meyer
What folks outside Baton Rouge think
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USC finished #1 in both the AP and Coaches' Polls, while both USC and LSU fell short on several computer factors.
Dont question the wiki
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Despite a mandate to vote for the BCS title game winner No. 1 in the final poll, three coaches (Mike Bellotti, Ron Turner and Lou Holtz) broke the contractual agreement and cast their No. 1 ballot for USC. The Tigers got their half of the title, but were quickly forgotten as USC romped to the BCS title games the following two seasons. The general acknowledgement that the Trojans won "back-to-back" national championships in 2003 and 2004 left many LSU fans embittered to this day.
A gurus opinion
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Technically there are two national championships awarded in Division 1-A. The first one goes the winner of the USA Today Coaches Poll, the other to the winner of the AP Top 25 Poll. In 2003, both polls were a part of the BCS formula to determine who played for the national championship.
This split championship is exactly what the BCS was designed to prevent. And as a result, the AP is no longer a part of the BCS equation though it continues to award a national championship each year.
AP removed from formula due to split
AP was part of the equation in 2003. They gave their part of the championship to USC. They got punished for it. Sorry, but Saban is only half the coach Miles is, technically.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:03 am to TIsuGGER
did LSU split the trophy as well?
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:09 am to Maximus
It's not hypothetical. The comparison exists right now. And I'm actually not debating, I'm genuinely curious. I'm asking you so that you can try and convince me of your point of view. Otherwise, you're just trying to flame and talking out of your arse.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but at least SFP has a logical argument. And I agree with a bit of it. I think the averages DO count and that OT stats distort the actual numbers.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but at least SFP has a logical argument. And I agree with a bit of it. I think the averages DO count and that OT stats distort the actual numbers.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:11 am to TIsuGGER
quote:Can I ask a favor that you not ruin the only potentially interesting thread on the rant by turning it into a 6 year old debate on the BCS vs AP national title? Thanks.
TIsuGGER
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:15 am to drexyl
too late. now everyone is sulking
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
Great post, zeus. I'll admit you had me fooled - I assumed it was a Saban deal like everyone else.
What I'd stress, though, to anyone looking at this thread is that it doesn't matter if LSU fell short of UF in every category. The issue here is whether Miles "holds his coordinators back," not whether LSU and UF had exactly the same offensive stats in 06 and 07.
So if LSU's 07 season under Crowton was close to, but not quite as good as UF that year, it still very much supports the view that Miles has no "shackles" on Crowton. Proof that UF ran more plays, or that UF scored 4 more ppg in regulation, doesn't change that. You can still have a wide-arse open offense if you're within a few percentage points of nearly any UF offensive category under Meyer.
If anyone's feeling really frisky, go check out Okie State's offensive stats the year they had Josh Fields at QB, and the Woods brother that went first round to the Niners (RaShaun?). Man/40-year old Mike Gundy was the OC that year, and I'm 99% sure the numbers from that year don't show any evidence of "shackles" at all.
Does Miles like the running game? Sure. Did I nearly throw a lamp through my TV watching Hester run toss sweeps in the 06 Auburn game? Yes. But for the "70% run up the middle" crowd, I'd be curious if you can show anything objective to refute zeus' fine work here.
What I'd stress, though, to anyone looking at this thread is that it doesn't matter if LSU fell short of UF in every category. The issue here is whether Miles "holds his coordinators back," not whether LSU and UF had exactly the same offensive stats in 06 and 07.
So if LSU's 07 season under Crowton was close to, but not quite as good as UF that year, it still very much supports the view that Miles has no "shackles" on Crowton. Proof that UF ran more plays, or that UF scored 4 more ppg in regulation, doesn't change that. You can still have a wide-arse open offense if you're within a few percentage points of nearly any UF offensive category under Meyer.
If anyone's feeling really frisky, go check out Okie State's offensive stats the year they had Josh Fields at QB, and the Woods brother that went first round to the Niners (RaShaun?). Man/40-year old Mike Gundy was the OC that year, and I'm 99% sure the numbers from that year don't show any evidence of "shackles" at all.
Does Miles like the running game? Sure. Did I nearly throw a lamp through my TV watching Hester run toss sweeps in the 06 Auburn game? Yes. But for the "70% run up the middle" crowd, I'd be curious if you can show anything objective to refute zeus' fine work here.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:22 am to Martin Blank
quote:Sorry. No time to answer 50 questions on this topic.
But for the "70% run up the middle" crowd, I'd be curious if you can show anything objective to refute zeus' fine work here.
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:23 am to manwich
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too late. now everyone is sulking
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:27 am to drexyl
Posted on 9/9/09 at 9:29 am to Martin Blank
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If anyone's feeling really frisky, go check out Okie State's offensive stats the year they had Josh Fields at QB, and the Woods brother that went first round to the Niners (RaShaun?). Man/40-year old Mike Gundy was the OC that year, and I'm 99% sure the numbers from that year don't show any evidence of "shackles" at all.
I feel like a lot of fans have been fooled by miles.
we thought we were getting a "let er rip" type of guy for the offense, but he's been very conservative as far as playcalling goes overall.
you can tell crowtons plays from miles plays, in other words.
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Does Miles like the running game? Sure. Did I nearly throw a lamp through my TV watching Hester run toss sweeps in the 06 Auburn game? Yes.
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But for the "70% run up the middle" crowd, I'd be curious if you can show anything objective to refute zeus' fine work here.
sometimes conservative is good, sometimes it bites you in the arse. on saturday, it almost bit LSU in the arse.
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