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re: An offense more suited to JJ's strengths.

Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:53 pm to
Posted by Ray Ray Rodman
Florida
Member since Mar 2005
17654 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:53 pm to
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get JJ out of the pocket with a chance to run of option number one isn't open.


He is really a running QB though?

Like somone said earlier, I really dont know what he is best at besides looking upset..
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295771 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:57 pm to
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He is really a running QB though?

Like somone said earlier, I really dont know what he is best at besides looking upset..


He is an adequate running QB, if he is in space with options. Not in the pocket. Getting him out of the pocket is paramount to his success IMO. JJ will not be a pocket passing QB.
Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61903 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 3:59 pm to
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It's clear that JJ has the most experience and he makes the least amount of mistakes


Not true. Taking sack after sack is a mistake just as much as throwing picks. As far as the best offense for JJ, apparently basketball. He seems to love the skip pass.

Seriously, I would say West Coast. You can't be a run oriented team if he keeps taking sacks on 2nd down. Even if you're getting 5-6 yards on 1st, that 2nd and 4-5 quickly turns into 3rd and long after a patented JJ 6 second sack. When LSU does throw the ball with JJ, it needs to be quick. I'd say a lot of quick slants/screen plays as well as some jump balls with Toliver/Randle.
Posted by Ric Flair
Charlotte
Member since Oct 2005
13868 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 7:16 pm to
I'd say roll him out for passes with an option to run, circa Herb Tyler in 1995. Of course, it would help if we had a Faneca blocking and a Faulk running the ball.
Posted by xraytiger
Colorado
Member since Jan 2005
709 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 7:24 pm to
See Peach Bowl GA Tech. Like many have said, roll out, quick passes, use the TE. It all start with the Oline though
Posted by OU812
Michigan
Member since Apr 2004
13550 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 7:53 pm to
The Ernie Zampese La Rams'/Norv Turner Dallas Cowboys' offense that is based on timing and throwing to spots. It could utilize his arm strength.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23375 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 8:16 pm to
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Jefferson was 7th in the SEC with pass plays for 25+ yards. He had 22; however, only one QB had greater than 28(Mallett). The only QB with a higher overall competion % higher on the list is Tebow.

I would like someone to give a logical explanation how his deep ball is so inferior to his peers when considering this info. This also occured with an OL that was complete shite.


He often gets criticized for not being able to stretch the field with the deep ball. I posted this response to this critique in another thread.

I think the guy can be a stud with an OL and a play action offense/roll out offense.
Posted by tigerhack
Member since Nov 2007
431 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:03 pm to
i believe you are correct but you are giving him too many games before making a change.make the change sooner if it looks like things are not changing don't wait too late and give away games.
Posted by 1984Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Apr 2006
7713 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:15 pm to
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Jefferson was 7th in the SEC with pass plays for 25+ yards. He had 22;

OK ... how many of those actually travelled more than 15 yards in the air? I would guess that most were 10 yard completions that were turned into 25+ yard gains by the WR.
Posted by MikedeTigre
Madisonville
Member since Nov 2009
24 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 10:57 pm to
Agree with that. Give him time to mature. His 62% and only 7 INT's was better than Mauck's 56% and 11 INT's in 2007. OK, he had only 17 TD's to Mauck's 21. Still, a 19 yr old sophomore compared to a 22 yr old senior. Give the kid a chance to mature like the last two LSU Nat'l Champion QB's.
Posted by lsufan4117
(slidell) stuck in ms. (better)
Member since Jun 2010
477 posts
Posted on 6/23/10 at 11:07 pm to
A run first offense, we need to run the ball in order to set the pass up.If we come out trying to win on one of those kids arms its going to be a long season,we need to run the ball early on..If that happens we will be ok, but he has to manage the game better get 8 yards on 3rd down instead of 5...dont get sacked when your in field goal range..The list goes on and on..just dont lose the game!!!
This post was edited on 6/23/10 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34400 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 2:03 am to
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My question is how can we tailor an offfense to fit his style of play and take advantage of his athletic abilities? What offensive scheme currently ran in college football might JJ excel?

A HS coach has to answer those kinds of questions. College coaches usually recruit to fit their scheme.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 2:25 am to
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how can we tailor an offfense to fit his style of play and take advantage of his athletic abilities?
Block.
quote:

What offensive scheme currently ran in college football might JJ excel?
The one where they block.

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12724 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 2:32 am to
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Not true. Taking sack after sack is a mistake just as much as throwing picks.
Depends on how you are coached. If you are coached by a staff that is terrified of getting raked over the coals again because their last QB threw 7 pick-6's, then taking sack after sack might be exactly what you are coached to do.

Hopefully, our coaching staff is smarter than the rantards and realizes that the pick-6's are meaningless (the 14 INTs overall was the real concern), and coaches our QBs to make good decisions, both to hold on to the ball and to throw it.

Posted by JJ27
Member since Sep 2004
61903 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 2:38 am to
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Depends on how you are coached. If you are coached by a staff that is terrified of getting raked over the coals again because their last QB threw 7 pick-6's, then taking sack after sack might be exactly what you are coached to do.


Then LSU has horrible coaches. With the new rules, it should be damn near impossible to take a sack. ALL you have to do is get out of the tackle box and throw it in the stands past the L.O.S. The amount of sacks he took last year concerns me much more than the picks Lee threw. Atleast Lee was trying to make something happen. The majority of the sacks were after JJ held the ball FOREVER. You have to have a mental clock. After X amount of time, get outside the tackle box and either run or THROW IT AWAY. I hope whoever the QB is for LSU this year atleast manages to do this.
Posted by LSU Fan Forever 13
Shreveport
Member since Aug 2005
4298 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 3:37 am to
JJ needs a few things to excel in the SEC. The main thing is protection. I don't care how long he holds on to the ball if we don't have protection up front it's pointless. The next thing comes from having the first, We need a run game. Give him these two things and he is SEC good enough IMO. As I have said before and as someone else pointed out, When he takes a good hit the offense goes down. He rattles easy and often when the pressure gets to him. He has been hit enough and shown that scared look on his face and the offense has shot to hell after wards enough that other coaches aim for this in game planing.

Roll him out more often, He has shown he can gain huge yards with his feet when needed and able to make the plays outside of the pocket... Mainly in part because the pocket never held and there was distance between him and the nearest defender to make the reads and plays. I think our o line will produce better and the run game will pick up helping him a ton this year. Having two threats at WR in TT and RR will help as well not to mention the disadvantage RS will create in the slot resulting in more quicker throws as well. I just see us being a lot better this year on offense. Then again compared to last season it won't be hard to do.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295771 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 4:11 am to
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Roll him out more often, He has shown he can gain huge yards with his feet when needed and able to make the plays outside of the pocket... Mainly in part because the pocket never held and there was distance between him and the nearest defender to make the reads and plays.


Beg to differ. JJ had as much or more time than a decent qb needs in the pocket. His game just hasn't progressed to that point yet where he is a viable pocket passing QB. he had some fundamental flaws that were never corrected causing him to hold the ball way too long. At times he looked good though, enough to think that he could progress in the pocket with some adequate coaching. But last season, JJ just wasn't comfortable in the pocket whether he had time or not.
This post was edited on 6/24/10 at 4:39 am
Posted by therocketscientist
too far away from Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2007
5010 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 8:56 am to
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The kid had a 60% completion percentage. He obviously knows how to make the right decisions


supremely shallow and incorrect analysis.
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
Member since Sep 2005
5946 posts
Posted on 6/24/10 at 9:05 am to

His internal clock is broken. Needs to get that fixed asap.

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