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re: An attempted unbiased analysis of Kirby Smart & Ed Orgeron in their first 2 years

Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:00 am to
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:00 am to
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Because they got a re-do game against an Auburn team that had beaten them a couple weeks earlier.


So?

Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:14 am to
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won the SEC!!


From the SEC East.

Every year Georgia plays Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, Tennessee and Florida. Pretty much one game per year as of late.

They also won the SEC playing a team that had beaten them 40-17 a couple weeks earlier. It is hard to beat the same team twice in one season - ask Les Miles about 2011.

Against the top two teams from SEC West last year Georgia was 1-2. If not for the re-do against Auburn they would have been 0-2 against those teams. LSU was 1-1 against the same two teams.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:18 am to
If LSU would have played Auburn again at a neutral site do you think they’d have won? Keep in mind, you JUST said this:

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It is hard to beat the same team twice in one season


How about Bama?

Not trolling here, just saying I don’t think your 1-1 vs. 1-2 argument is very strong.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 10:19 am
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:19 am to
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Against the top two teams from SEC West last year Georgia was 1-2. If not for the re-do against Auburn they would have been 0-2 against those teams. LSU was 1-1 against the same two teams.
Georgia also played a classic against a healthy Alabama where lsu was beat down against an injured bama defense. I wouldn't compare anything LSU did to Georgia last year. Georgia Went to Auburn where as it was a home game for LSU. Plus Georgia murdered Miss State you know what happened when LSU played State. Georgia was in another world last year
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:20 am to
And an unemployed DL coach until Miles gave him a break.
Posted by Nix to Twillie
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19826 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:21 am to
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Plus Georgia murdered Miss State you know what happened when LSU played State.


Incoming “over 30 freshmen” argument.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:23 am to
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Coach Orgeron is provided a completely guaranteed contract while Kirby Smart is not.

Smart signed a contract worth 22 million. If UGA terminated in 2016 they would owe 13.5 million


I would say the contracts are on par with each other. Smart had never been a coach before. Eaux got to show what he was capable of as an interim.

Smart's buyout of $13.5 million after 2016 if true is not bad at all for a first ever head coach.

Eaux's buyout after the 2017 season - his first year when he would not have fired during the season would have been $12 million.

I don't see the huge difference. I'm sure after Kirby's first year losing at home to Vandy and 45-14 to Ole Miss and losses to TN, Florida and Georgia Tech the Georgia fans were freaking out over his buyout.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:39 am to
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If LSU would have played Auburn again at a neutral site do you think they’d have won? Keep in mind, you JUST said this:


I think it would have been much harder the second time. Just like Bama-LSU in 2011 and Ga-Auburn last season. It's hard enough to beat a team the first time. But if what 357 was saying about Auburn sucking away from Jordan-Hare, who knows.

If it was my choice and LSU would have gotten to play Bama again last year at a neutral site, LSU would have played them again. There is no way to know if wouldn't have been any different or even worse for LSU but I think the odds would have been in favor of it being better.

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Not trolling here, just saying I don’t think your 1-1 vs. 1-2 argument is very strong.


Didn't mean for it to be an argument. It is what happened.
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:44 am to
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Georgia also played a classic against a healthy Alabama where lsu was beat down against an injured bama defense. I wouldn't compare anything LSU did to Georgia last year. Georgia Went to Auburn where as it was a home game for LSU. Plus Georgia murdered Miss State you know what happened when LSU played State. Georgia was in another world last year


Yes, this is all transitive property comparisons at this point when comparing the two. But what happened happened. Comparing an SEC East team against an SEC West team doesn't quite work either. It should be easier for East teams to get up for the two tough games per season they have. That's IF they play a formidable team from the West. If not they have to get up for Florida.



Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:50 am to
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Georgia also played a classic against a healthy Alabama where lsu was beat down against an injured bama defense.


Oh and Georgia-Bama was a neutral site game. LSU played Alabama at Bryant-Denny in Tuscaloosa.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
62150 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:52 am to
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LSU played Alabama at Bryant-Denny in Tuscaloosa.


Except for when we played them the year before in Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge and laid an egg.
Posted by LSUERDOC
Member since Jul 2013
2608 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:30 am to
Don’t read the threads then. This is a discussion board open to all opinions.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17772 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:44 am to
Agreed. Our AD lacks any kind of vision for this program that doesn't involve increasing prices or creating new fees. Ed O was the laziest hire in history of college football.

Hell we weren't even turned down by Herman, Herman said he wanted to see what Texas offered and Alleva immediately bailed and hired O. That is very rash decision making, especially for something as crucial as a head coaching hire.

I'm starting to believe Alleva is the problem. During the later years of Miles, everyone kept saying the issue was Miles. And while Miles was certainly stubborn, I'm starting to think the issue all along has been Alleva.
Posted by HighlandRD_ZERO25
Member since Jun 2016
622 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:52 am to
If UGA played in the west they would've lost 2-3 games last year. They got to have a revenge game and get up to beat Auburn in the title game and got beat by an 18 year old with about 36 minutes real game time racked up....Smarts tenure will be very similar to his predecessor. Always close but never able to really win the big one. He'll have a good record year after year until the UGA people figure out he's basically Richt part Dos..



Orgeron has made big mistake after big mistake in decisions having to do with staffing. He's lost out on once sure thing elite recruits. He's made every public mistake he could ever have in his short time. That said I believe he pulls in a great class this year and enters 2019 with a real shot to recapture some glory here at LSU. This season could be so many things. We very well could have the worst season in 15 years. We could win 10 games. I just don't know how to take this group in yet.
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
16381 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:52 am to
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I'm starting to believe Alleva is the problem. During the later years of Miles, everyone kept saying the issue was Miles. And while Miles was certainly stubborn, I'm starting to think the issue all along has been Alleva.

Starting to? I think you're a little late to the party.
Posted by justice
Member since Feb 2006
55383 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:53 am to
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Georgia-Bama was a neutral site game.
for the national championship Im sure bama played just as tough as they did against LSU at home.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 11:55 am
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
27052 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:55 am to
Two things:

I know you address it but 2016 should not count for anything. This write up would be better served after the 2018 season and you may be able to make all of the same points.

I can't help but think the fanbase would have a different view of things if LSU was in the SEC east (I fully acknowledge LSU's 2017 schedule was weak). But look at 2018. I think a lot of folks are down about the program because they look at the schedule. If LSU got to play UGA's 2018 schedule, people would be talking 10 wins.

Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33192 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:55 am to
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The Eaux hatred causes people to say really stupid shite sometimes




Next season is gong to really sting.......and you'll look even more foolish.

The hire is regarded as a monumental failure by the entire country. To try and say it made sense makes you look truly fricking stupid.
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
33192 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:57 am to
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We very well could have the worst season in 18 years


FIFY
Posted by Tiger Ree
Houston
Member since Jun 2004
24563 posts
Posted on 5/2/18 at 12:04 pm to
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Hell we weren't even turned down by Herman, Herman said he wanted to see what Texas offered and Alleva immediately bailed and hired O. That is very rash decision making, especially for something as crucial as a head coaching hire.


The guy had by far the most talent on his team in his conference. He wound up in 6th place. What would you do? Offer him $10 million a year. The kissing-bandit had been a coach for two years. The second year was pretty horrible. He lost to SMU who was a 23 point DOG.
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