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re: Almost as embarrassing as our performance is our fanbase
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:18 am to Tigerdew
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:18 am to Tigerdew
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When did it get out of hand? We were down 14 with the ball inside the UGA 20yd line with 6 minutes left in the game.
If LSU is down by more than one score against anybody but the worst offense imaginable, then it's out of hand. Having the ball inside their 20 is irrelevant. Even if we scored, UGa would just score again to put it back to 14. The LSU offense must score a touchdown on every possession. No one can do that...
...except half the teams in the country if they're playing LSU.
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Our fanbase is fricking pathetic.
By any quantifiable measure, LSU fans have outperformed LSU's team in about 45 of the last 50 years, including this year.
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Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:20 am to themunch
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How do you think it made the team feel watching all their fans get up and leave on em?
Probably similar to how the fans felt when the defense decided to take the year off. Mildly frustrated and disappointed, but not motivated to do anything about it.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:22 am to maburu2
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The stadium was literally empty by the time the whistle blowed
not true.....the Georgia fans were all still there
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:23 am to Tigerdew
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Well actually they stopped them 2 more times and it wasn't until Lee's pick six with 3 minutes left that sealed the win.
No, we were down 14 even before that. No way could we stop Georgia even if we scored to pull within 7. Even if we did an onside kick, recovered it and scored again to tie it, I would not trust our defense not to give up the winning score in whatever time was left. And in some bizarre miracle world where we get to OT? Would you give our team ANY chance at all in OT?
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:26 am to maburu2
My take on the fanbase is this and most of you have said it in the past in some way:
In the 90's, when we got our season tix ('95), we sat by a lot of Tiger fans who were blue-collar and maybe even a lil trashy...nonetheless, they were rowdy as hell and yelled through the entire game. The WU, in the 90's, might as well have been Student Section - Nosebleed. If you watch old games and you see the panning of the crowd, you might see quite a few of the people I am talking about. These were the people who attended the '97 Auburn and Florida games and prior, the "Bring Back The Magic Game". Mind you, this was when 82,000 was a sellout.
Now, most of those fans who briefly held season tix have been relocated to outside of the stadium. I know for a fact because when prices went up and the WU was about to undergo a facelift, these fans are nowhere to be found...and that goes for all areas: EU, SEZ, LWS, you name it. These fans have been replaced with upper class TAF sorts (I am not knocking what the TAF does; only some of its memebers). These are the fans who do not come to every game and aren't thankful to be at every game. Every game is a place "to be seen". Yelling just isn't part of the program. It was replaced by dressing up and having an expensively done tailgate in the TS parking lot to show "look what I am made of". These are the types who gouge the tickets to the good games. These are the types who you see leave a game at the half (any game, no matter the score) and they're the same bitching about things they have no idea about. Many of these fans did not support LSU until 2004 and they ONLY support football.
The reason the stadium doesn't get as loud as it once did is LSU dumped its diehards for a bunch of "elitist" wannabes. I'm not inferring that anyone who has money is one of these types, but let's face it - there are plenty. NO, 10,000 extra seats did not make the place louder...just added a few more Calvin Coolidge fans.
By the way, LSU will NEVER expand to more seats to accommodate waiting list folks, but they will add more sky boxes if they do anything. It was embarrassing to see the amount of sellers outnumbering the buyers on Nicholson and Skip Bertman yesterday. It was shocking for a game of yesterday's magnitude.
The LSU fanbase is not what it once was and I don't know if multiplying itself x 10 was such a good thing.
In the 90's, when we got our season tix ('95), we sat by a lot of Tiger fans who were blue-collar and maybe even a lil trashy...nonetheless, they were rowdy as hell and yelled through the entire game. The WU, in the 90's, might as well have been Student Section - Nosebleed. If you watch old games and you see the panning of the crowd, you might see quite a few of the people I am talking about. These were the people who attended the '97 Auburn and Florida games and prior, the "Bring Back The Magic Game". Mind you, this was when 82,000 was a sellout.
Now, most of those fans who briefly held season tix have been relocated to outside of the stadium. I know for a fact because when prices went up and the WU was about to undergo a facelift, these fans are nowhere to be found...and that goes for all areas: EU, SEZ, LWS, you name it. These fans have been replaced with upper class TAF sorts (I am not knocking what the TAF does; only some of its memebers). These are the fans who do not come to every game and aren't thankful to be at every game. Every game is a place "to be seen". Yelling just isn't part of the program. It was replaced by dressing up and having an expensively done tailgate in the TS parking lot to show "look what I am made of". These are the types who gouge the tickets to the good games. These are the types who you see leave a game at the half (any game, no matter the score) and they're the same bitching about things they have no idea about. Many of these fans did not support LSU until 2004 and they ONLY support football.
The reason the stadium doesn't get as loud as it once did is LSU dumped its diehards for a bunch of "elitist" wannabes. I'm not inferring that anyone who has money is one of these types, but let's face it - there are plenty. NO, 10,000 extra seats did not make the place louder...just added a few more Calvin Coolidge fans.
By the way, LSU will NEVER expand to more seats to accommodate waiting list folks, but they will add more sky boxes if they do anything. It was embarrassing to see the amount of sellers outnumbering the buyers on Nicholson and Skip Bertman yesterday. It was shocking for a game of yesterday's magnitude.
The LSU fanbase is not what it once was and I don't know if multiplying itself x 10 was such a good thing.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:27 am to maburu2
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dont call yourself a fan if you left. It's obvious who is the casual observer
Someone who went to the game and left early > someone who didn't go at all.
FWIW, I'm in the latter group. 2200 miles is a long way to travel to watch this team.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:28 am to Tigahs24Seven
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Actually, you are seeing what I said would happen when the TAF fee hit and the ticket prices started to rise. The die hard fans of old, Joe the Plumber, can't afford to go, but corporations and fair weathered fans with alot of money to spend on tickets are filling the seats.
+1
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:30 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Actually, you are seeing what I said would happen when the TAF fee hit and the ticket prices started to rise. The die hard fans of old, Joe the Plumber, can't afford to go, but corporations and fair weathered fans with alot of money to spend on tickets are filling the seats.
Well said and much briefer than how I stated it. This absolutely 100 percent correct.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:30 am to Nuts4LSU
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Probably similar to how the fans felt when the defense decided to take the year off. Mildly frustrated and disappointed, but not motivated to do anything about it.
NUTS. You are taking this pretty hard aren't ya?????
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:31 am to maburu2
I would not say that our fans are even as close to being as embearassing as the performances of this team. Jarrett Lee's performance was shameful (AGAIN). Les Miles continues to not have his team ready (has there ever been a game vs a top 25 team where he didn't go down by 2 TDs, even if LSU eventually won?)
Throwing on the first play of the game? What is that? Making Andrew Hatch the running QB and Jarret Lee that passing QB? What is that? If we don't have anyone who can throw the ball better than Lee, then we should be in the Single Wing or Wildcat or whatever teams are running.
You cannot give up TDs to the other teams defense EVERY GAME as Lee has done (at least vs Auburn, UF, and UGA--the games that matter).
No, the fans leaving is not shameful. Fans pay alot of money, spend alot of time, go through all the traffic, overpay for concessions....all to see that display of football on the field? The Tigers (AGAIN) we not competitive.
If I had season tickets, I wouldn't even go until LSU gets a QB that won't hand the other team victories, until Les Miles either teaches Danny McCray to cover or puts him on the bench.
Its not the fans. Its the team. Its the coaches.
I hope (expect) that Les will get a new OC next year. How Crowton can justify having Lee ever throw the ball is beyond me. But on the first play of the game? I'm sorry, that just cost you your job, genius. I've never seen a practice and I know that Jarrett Lee shouldn't be throwing the ball. How can Crowton NOT get it?
Defensively, big time changes have to occur.
And if they don't occur, maybe Michigan will still be interested after all?
What we've seen this season isn't LSU football. Even when we lost before, we weren't doing it by giving the other team 50 points every other week. Absolutely shameful.
Its not the fans.
Throwing on the first play of the game? What is that? Making Andrew Hatch the running QB and Jarret Lee that passing QB? What is that? If we don't have anyone who can throw the ball better than Lee, then we should be in the Single Wing or Wildcat or whatever teams are running.
You cannot give up TDs to the other teams defense EVERY GAME as Lee has done (at least vs Auburn, UF, and UGA--the games that matter).
No, the fans leaving is not shameful. Fans pay alot of money, spend alot of time, go through all the traffic, overpay for concessions....all to see that display of football on the field? The Tigers (AGAIN) we not competitive.
If I had season tickets, I wouldn't even go until LSU gets a QB that won't hand the other team victories, until Les Miles either teaches Danny McCray to cover or puts him on the bench.
Its not the fans. Its the team. Its the coaches.
I hope (expect) that Les will get a new OC next year. How Crowton can justify having Lee ever throw the ball is beyond me. But on the first play of the game? I'm sorry, that just cost you your job, genius. I've never seen a practice and I know that Jarrett Lee shouldn't be throwing the ball. How can Crowton NOT get it?
Defensively, big time changes have to occur.
And if they don't occur, maybe Michigan will still be interested after all?
What we've seen this season isn't LSU football. Even when we lost before, we weren't doing it by giving the other team 50 points every other week. Absolutely shameful.
Its not the fans.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:31 am to Nuts4LSU
this isn't Texas A&M or something... we're not cheer leaders drinking some school spirit cool-aid the whole game... LSU did not represent the school or LSU football yesterday. If you get off on watching our face get kicked in until the waining seconds, more power to you..
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:33 am to Dobermann
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Maybe this a way to protest the crappy defensive coaching. If it weren't for empty seats, Joe dean would have never fired Curley.
good point. would you rather fans booing the players or just simply leaving early. the fans have the right to voice their discontent in some manner.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:33 am to kfaulk03
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this isn't Texas A&M or something... we're not cheer leaders drinking some school spirit cool-aid the whole game...
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:36 am to Suncoastiger
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If I had season tickets, I wouldn't even go until LSU gets a QB that won't hand the other team victories,
Then don't. And if you put all the blame on Lee, then you're missing something. Tell me J. Russell would have done better as a true freshman?
Damn it, stop blaming Lee. We know it's bad, but what else do we do? The next LSU great bailed on us and couldn't keep his nose clean. This was RP's offense. Lee is doing a helluva job considering.
This post was edited on 10/26/08 at 11:37 am
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:39 am to PiscesTiger
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The LSU fanbase is not what it once was and I don't know if multiplying itself x 10 was such a good thing.
Let's not forget all the "Wal Mart" Tiger fans (the ones who showed up when LSU started to win again in 2003, so they buy LSU shirts at Wal Mart and don't give a dime to LSU athletics) who come out the wood works, only to get thrown out during the games because of their drunken stupidity and numerous use of the F word.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 11:52 am to maburu2
If you pay $100 to see a crappy movie with a sad ending, you have the right to get up and leave when you want.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:36 pm to Dobermann
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Maybe this a way to protest the crappy defensive coaching. If it weren't for empty seats, Joe dean would have never fired Curley.
Maybe if they didn't already have their money. Protesting would be not buying tickets next year.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:43 pm to GeauxTigers310
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I neither booed Lee nor left before the Alma Mater was over. I don't think it's acceptable to boo him (even though I did feel like it after the second pick 6). The team needs our support, there is still football left to be played this season and we can still finish strong if we get it together.
Somehow I'm having a hard time believing you stayed long enough to hear the alma mater.
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:43 pm to maburu2
I did not see your post - but making my own - clearly I agree with you 100%!
Posted on 10/26/08 at 12:44 pm to raparoot
That's fine pal - now don't be an absurd cretin and tell anyone out of state how "big an LSU fan you are". You clearly are just a fair weather fan!
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