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re: After reflection and simmering down: reality
Posted on 10/8/12 at 8:51 am to CharlesLSU
Posted on 10/8/12 at 8:51 am to CharlesLSU
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The injuries have truly hurt. Mett is still maturing and raw. Injuries aside the oline misses Ben W. Honey Badger swagger is also missing. Off season conditioning was NOT the same as last year. Youth abounds. Les is a good coach and the play calling is conservative to prevent catastrophe......it really could get bad fast against top tier Sec Squads if he gambled. I do agree, though, quick slants and TEs need to be utilized with 9 in the box.
Yep.
And the most important point of all..............................it's just ONE LOSS.
In fact, its ONE regular season loss in TWO YEARS.
Let's see how everything plays out. We had chances to win that game on Saturday. We will have chances to win the game this coming Saturday. This is the biggest game in Tiger Stadium to this point in the season. We need the fans to really show up and encourage the team......................and not be ready to boo on the first sign of a mistake on offense.
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Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:00 am to lsualum96
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And the most important point of all..............................it's just ONE LOSS.
Correct. However even in wins we can still point to things on the offensive side of the ball that need obvious fixing
Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:00 am to GFunk
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Offer Miles his job on the condition that his days calling the shots in the offensive staff meeting rooms are done and gone.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:01 am to CharlesLSU
Agreed, and will add that the there seems to be some lacking fundamentals in the WR corps. Not sure if it's the new coach or what, but the drops are drive killers and are forcing our defense right back on the field. As good as our defense is, they will eventually wear down.
If we can't move the sticks, then there's no way to play to our strengths(wearing opposing defenses out in the 4th with a downhill running game).
The TOP battle is critical for our strategy, period.
If we can't move the sticks, then there's no way to play to our strengths(wearing opposing defenses out in the 4th with a downhill running game).
The TOP battle is critical for our strategy, period.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:01 am to CharlesLSU
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Les is a good coach and the play calling is conservative to prevent catastrophe......it really could get bad fast against top tier Sec Squads if he gambled. I do agree, though, quick slants and TEs need to be utilized with 9 in the box.
Quick slants won't keep 9 out of the box. It's hard to throw quick slants with linebackers and safeties in the box. And lastly, if there really are nine in the box wouldn't go routes and slant and go's be the way to attack?
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 9:02 am
Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:10 am to brownjuco
i meant slant and go's......I'd like to see some fade routes, but Mett might not be there yet.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:31 am to PeaRidgeWatash
I agree with everything the OP said. I think that I was really overlooking how much losing certain guys would really hurt our team. I will also agree with what some of you are saying about how our offensive game plan still doesn’t seem to have changed very much to help what we have lost. I don’t know exactly what we can do about it this year. But I do agree that something needs to be done. I love Les Miles. I know he can be very aggravating at times, but I just can’t forget about his win/loss record and all the great things he has done for this program. Having said that, if this offense doesn’t at the very least get a new OC or someone new this offseason, I do believe it will be time for us to start looking elsewhere for a head coach. It is one thing to just not have the players, I can understand that, but it seems like we haven’t done enough to get the players that we have to perform at the level they can perform at. I am sick and tired of watching other teams on Saturday move the ball down the field against the same teams that we struggle to move it against and know that our team has much better players on offense than they do. He is a great coach, I fully believe that, he just needs someone that is going to have enough of a say to really get this offense in the direction it needs to go.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:41 am to CalLSU
quote:His tenure has definitely had its shares of highs and lows. The great thing is he and his teams have won lots and lots of games. The awful thing is like what we got versus UF and especially UA on 1/9. No good reason can explain the lack of adjustments. The great wins and great seasons are in the past. We live in the "now" of time. It's what happens next game, and the game after that, and so on that matters now.
I just can’t forget about his win/loss record and all the great things he has done for this program.
quote:Add to this, and also if Coach Miles allows this new OC to actually be the OC in regular season play.
if this offense doesn’t at the very least get a new OC or someone new this offseason, I do believe it will be time for us to start looking elsewhere for a head coach.
quote:Nothing can explain this but coaching and schemes that do not work.
It is one thing to just not have the players, I can understand that, but it seems like we haven’t done enough to get the players that we have to perform at the level they can perform at. I am sick and tired of watching other teams on Saturday move the ball down the field against the same teams that we struggle to move it against and know that our team has much better players on offense than they do.
quote:No so sure about this. I believe he "can" be a great coach if he limits his involvement to his level of competency, and like Ronald Reagan did, leads by surrounding himself with staff people smarter than himself.
He is a great coach,
Posted on 10/8/12 at 9:56 am to Weaver
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Why is beckham out there after he has repeatedly dropped balls?
Cause he's the best we've got in the WR corps. That may not sit well with you, but it is what it is.
Coaches are supposed to make ball security part of everyday practice. Don't know if they're doing it properly, or our guys aren't getting it.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:05 am to CharlesLSU
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but Mett might not be there yet.
we had two senior qb's that weren't there yet either last season. why is it that les miles' qb's are never there?....could it be piss poor coaching?
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:13 am to Skillet
It's no secret QBs struggle at LSU recently, but it has more to do with the awkward positions he puts them in during the game. That first series was a great example of what the LSU offense can do, but for whatever reason, Les never replicated the calls.
With that said, Mett still has strides to make.
With that said, Mett still has strides to make.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:17 am to CharlesLSU
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That first series was a great example of what the LSU offense can do, but for whatever reason, Les never replicated the calls.
A lot of it was field position. LSU spent most of the first half deep in its own end, when teams typically restrict the playbook. He was playing "don't turn it over" ball, and then it sort of snowballed from there.
But I agree with your OP. Especially on injuries. This team has been devastated by injuries/suspensions. LSU has lost both three starting linebackers and three offensive linemen. Is it any wonder we can't block very well and Florida then attacked the second string LB'ers? Their offense worked once Minter and Kwon were knocked out of the game. That's not a coincidence.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:20 am to CharlesLSU
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Mett is still maturing and raw.
But can you honestly say you have seen progressive improvement, however small.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:25 am to CharlesLSU
Here's another reality: The Stud/Miles "gameplan" is only effective when LSU has an overwhelming advantage on the line. The minute we don't, the minute we face an athletic defensive line - that is, the minute that the staff has to actually scheme against an evenly matched opponent - we struggle. It happened against UGA in the SECCG (thank God the defense created turnovers and Tyrann bailed us out), it happened against Bama in the NCG, and it happened against Florida this weekend. Hell, it even happened against AU.
This post was edited on 10/8/12 at 10:27 am
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:25 am to JawjaTigah
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The great wins and great seasons are in the past. We live in the "now" of time. It's what happens next game, and the game after that, and so on that matters now.
I totally agree. The only problem I have with that is people only bring up the negative shite from the past when discussing Miles. If we live in the now and are going to blow of the successes then the failures should be blown off too.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:56 am to CharlesLSU
quote:Sluggo, y-stick, snag and dig routes.
i meant slant and go's......I'd like to see some fade routes, but Mett might not be there yet.
I fear Mett throwing crosses at this point. A heavy dose of TE and slot routes will loosen things up.
Deep passes do no good in man if you can't consistently beat the corner and force a cover change.
Of course you'll never get any ranter to believe throwing deep isn't the answer to all LSU's problems.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 10:57 am to CharlesLSU
good post.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:07 am to CharlesLSU
good post.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:13 am to 2007lsuno1
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I agree Charles. Sometimes you just don't have the horses. We don't. On the offensive side of the ball anyway.
I don't think this is an accident. Teenage recruits have taken notice of what Miles is all about on offense.
At one point, before the teenagers figured it out, Miles had the horses to just outclass most of his competition. He didn't need to outcoach it.
Now, the kids have figured out that Miles offense is a player's graveyard and now, Miles can't simply outclass people on that side of the ball.
If he doesn't find an OC fast, this will continue to spiral.
Posted on 10/8/12 at 11:26 am to Palm Beach Tiger
I agree. New Quarterback playing first 2 sec games on the road, injuries and academic suspensions hurt. Its a combination of a lot of things going wrong on offense. Offense game plan is predictable, yes and always will be a 60/40 run to pass under Miles. However, offense is timing and execution.
The first 15 plays of any level of football are scripted plays. LSU has looked great on the first drives (Scripted plays) against Auburn and Florida because they practiced it 100 times during the week. Then comes false starts and turnovers, conservative play calling. Every Defensive coordinator will put 7-9 in the box and make LSU throw to win. They have done it for years. With key players missing on the O-line, receivers dropping passes consistently, a New Quarterback its going to take time to gel. They are trying to throw it more downfield this year. I don't know, I still think will be a long year.
The first 15 plays of any level of football are scripted plays. LSU has looked great on the first drives (Scripted plays) against Auburn and Florida because they practiced it 100 times during the week. Then comes false starts and turnovers, conservative play calling. Every Defensive coordinator will put 7-9 in the box and make LSU throw to win. They have done it for years. With key players missing on the O-line, receivers dropping passes consistently, a New Quarterback its going to take time to gel. They are trying to throw it more downfield this year. I don't know, I still think will be a long year.
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