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re: Advocate: LSU could sweep and still miss SEC tourney...
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:27 am to LSU
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:27 am to LSU
If LSU sweeps they are in, 100% no doubt, they lose the 3 team tie breaker but once arkansas breaks that tie the two-team one would be used giving LSU the edge
This according to the SEC Website Tiebreakers
quote:
Once the tie has been reduced to two teams, the two-team tiebreaker procedure as stated in No. 1 above will be used.
This according to the SEC Website Tiebreakers
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Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:31 am to Tigerfan7218
But the tie-breaker is never reduced to 2 teams.... Ole Miss has a better record than LSU between the tied teams, so there is never a head-to-head used.
Wow, this is so confusing.
So yall think the Advocate is wrong?
Wow, this is so confusing.
So yall think the Advocate is wrong?
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 11:32 am
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:33 am to JPLSU1981
Yes it is reduced to two teams, Arkansas wins the tie breaker (ignore head to head to head record)... All 3 would be at 14-16. Arkansas has the best h2h2h record so get it. Now LSU and OM are both tied at 14-16 and LSU gets in on h2h record. Yes, the advocate is wrong
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:36 am to Tigerfan7218
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Yes it is reduced to two teams, Arkansas wins the tie breaker (ignore head to head to head record)... All 3 would be at 14-16. Arkansas has the best h2h2h record so get it. Now LSU and OM are both tied at 14-16 and LSU gets in on h2h record. Yes, the advocate is wrong
This
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:37 am to Tigerfan7218
quote:
This is not true, if LSU sweeps they are in
Wrong.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:37 am to JPLSU1981
yes, i think the Advocate is wrong.
The 2-team tiebreaker eventually comes into play. I think the confusing part is that some folks are thinking that the tiebreaker eliminates teams off the bottom, but in reality it breaks the tie by deciding who is *first* in the group. 'splain....
(leaving AU off because I think they sweep Tenn and win SECW, and thus #2 SECT seed)
Bama 6-3
Arkansas 5-4
Ole Miss 4-5
LSU 3-6
So, Bama "wins" this tiebreaker and gets the next slot in the SECT. Then it continues with the remaining teams. Still more than 2 teams, so same tiebreaking rule applies:
Arkansas 4-2
Ole Miss 3-3
LSU 2-4
So, Arkansas "wins" this tiebreaker and gets the next slot in the SECT. Then it continues with the remaining teams. Now only 2 teams, so we go to the 2-team tiebreaker, which is head-to-head:
LSU 2-1
Ole Miss 1-2
So, LSU "wins" this tiebreaker. LSU gets next (last) slot in SECT, and Ole Miss stays home with MSU.
That's how I understand it would play out. Thus, LSU is a lock for the SECT if they sweep MSU (which I don't think will happen!).
The 2-team tiebreaker eventually comes into play. I think the confusing part is that some folks are thinking that the tiebreaker eliminates teams off the bottom, but in reality it breaks the tie by deciding who is *first* in the group. 'splain....
(leaving AU off because I think they sweep Tenn and win SECW, and thus #2 SECT seed)
Bama 6-3
Arkansas 5-4
Ole Miss 4-5
LSU 3-6
So, Bama "wins" this tiebreaker and gets the next slot in the SECT. Then it continues with the remaining teams. Still more than 2 teams, so same tiebreaking rule applies:
Arkansas 4-2
Ole Miss 3-3
LSU 2-4
So, Arkansas "wins" this tiebreaker and gets the next slot in the SECT. Then it continues with the remaining teams. Now only 2 teams, so we go to the 2-team tiebreaker, which is head-to-head:
LSU 2-1
Ole Miss 1-2
So, LSU "wins" this tiebreaker. LSU gets next (last) slot in SECT, and Ole Miss stays home with MSU.
That's how I understand it would play out. Thus, LSU is a lock for the SECT if they sweep MSU (which I don't think will happen!).
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:39 am to clamdip
you nailed it
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:39 am to RummelTiger
quote:quote:
This is not true, if LSU sweeps they are in
quote:
Wrong
Actually it's right, but good try though, we've now had multiple people (including myself) confirm this. If LSU sweeps they are in the SECt, period.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:40 am to clamdip
I totally understand what you're saying, but IMO that's not how the tiebreaker works. It would work like that, if for example LSU and Ole Miss had identical records against the tied teams. Then of course, it would come down to head-to-head. But my interpretation of the tie-breaker in this scenario is that it never gets to two teams....LSU has the worst record amonst the tied teams in the first tie-breaker, and is thus left out.
I guess we will find out if Ole Miss wins 2/3. (although I really don't want to find out because I'm thinking we get left out based on my interpretation of the tie-breaker)
(Assuming LSU sweeps and Auburn wins sereis vs Tenn): If Ole Miss wins 2/3 and Bama wins at least one game vs USC, LSU does not make the SEC tournament.
I guess we will find out if Ole Miss wins 2/3. (although I really don't want to find out because I'm thinking we get left out based on my interpretation of the tie-breaker) (Assuming LSU sweeps and Auburn wins sereis vs Tenn): If Ole Miss wins 2/3 and Bama wins at least one game vs USC, LSU does not make the SEC tournament.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 11:43 am
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:40 am to josh336
Can I keep saying wrong to those that are correct?
I love those people.
I love those people.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:42 am to Tigerfan7218
Sometimes you have to let my posts ferment for a little bit - most of the time there's a reason.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:44 am to RummelTiger
wait, so now I don't know if Rummel agrees or disagrees with me. this is important!
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:50 am to clamdip
I'm not sure either, but I think you are right about the tiebreaker, although it is confusing
Posted on 5/19/11 at 11:53 am to josh336
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although it is confusing
Me and my buddy have a $20 bet on this topic
He says the tie-breaker works like clamdip is saying (which is very reasonable BTW and I see the thinking). I say the tie-breaker never comes down to two teams because LSU and Ole Miss have different records against the tied teams.
Of course we'll never get a definitive answer until Ole Miss wins 2/3 and LSU/Arky/OleMiss finish in a 3-way tie.
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 11:57 am
Posted on 5/19/11 at 12:00 pm to clamdip
quote:
clamdip
The wording of the tiebreaker initially made me have the same interpretation of it is you. But I believe the way I broke it out on page 1 is how the SEC interprets the tiebreaker rule.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 12:02 pm to LSU
Bottom line is this:
Some believe that Arky & Ole Miss advance to Hoover if there is a 3-way tie between Arky/OleMiss/LSU
Some believe that Arky and LSU advance to Hoover if there is a 3-way tie between Arky/OleMiss/LSU
Who is right???
Some believe that Arky & Ole Miss advance to Hoover if there is a 3-way tie between Arky/OleMiss/LSU
Some believe that Arky and LSU advance to Hoover if there is a 3-way tie between Arky/OleMiss/LSU
Who is right???
This post was edited on 5/19/11 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 5/19/11 at 12:18 pm to guttata
quote:
Why do you waste brain cells trying to figure out things that in all reality will never happen?
Because after losing to Arky in FB in 2007 we had no shot at getting to the MNCG...
Posted on 5/19/11 at 12:29 pm to JPLSU1981
can we all at least agree that in the unlikely event of LSU sweeping MSU, LSU is assured an NCAA at-large bid?
I think LSU gets one even winning 2/3.
LSU only taking 1 out of 3 gets real dicey.
I think LSU gets one even winning 2/3.
LSU only taking 1 out of 3 gets real dicey.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 12:40 pm to JPLSU1981
quote:
But the tie-breaker is never reduced to 2 teams.... Ole Miss has a better record than LSU between the tied teams, so there is never a head-to-head used.
Wow, this is so confusing.
So yall think the Advocate is wrong?
This is the correct interpretation. Going to the two team tiebreaker would only apply if say LSU and Ole Miss were both 4-8 against the multiple teams tied.
Posted on 5/19/11 at 12:43 pm to clamdip
lol, yeah I definitely agree with that...we win the series this weekend, we're in the NCAA tourney. No doubt in my mind.
But now this thread has my dying to know the answer to the SEC tie-breaker discussion.
But now this thread has my dying to know the answer to the SEC tie-breaker discussion.
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