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re: A major change Cameron has to make...hot route
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:42 am to Mayhawman
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:42 am to Mayhawman
Pocket presence and buying time to set up in the pocket are major keys to this discussion. The questions are :
1)Is this a coachable technique ?
2)Is Mett just not physically/mentally capable of pulling it off? OR
3)Is Mett too set in his ways to make this transition?
1)Is this a coachable technique ?
2)Is Mett just not physically/mentally capable of pulling it off? OR
3)Is Mett too set in his ways to make this transition?
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Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:42 am to SteveLSU35
Everybody has to get their coach huey excerpts in.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:45 am to Drex
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Pocket presence and buying time to set up in the pocket are major keys to this discussion
Kind of hard to step up in the pocket when the pocket collapses
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:45 am to Duckie
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:51 am to toughcrittercrumb
This isn't Madden. We do checks at the line..always have. Just haven't had a QB that can read the defense.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 11:56 am to Drex
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2)Is Mett just not physically/mentally capable of pulling it off? OR
He got absolutely beat the hell out of in the last few games, and delivered some great balls. He has what it takes to stand in there, he will never buy time in the pocket or scramble, but when you can deliver the ball in the face of pressure it is ok. That is what makes him a little better QB than JLee was early on.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:05 pm to tigerfoot
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I am not responding to the hot route versus non hot route debate. But the above comment is so juvenile. Obviuosly our offense has troubles, to think that it could not be discussed is silly. If I see a man with a leg cut off bleeding to death, is it a fair assumption to think he needs to get it fixed? Does that mean I must be not only a Dr, but a surgeon? I think when a team blitzes us it sets up a big play if exposed. We did not have many big plays when folks blitzed us. How to fix it, I have no idea, but isnt discussing it what fans do?
Exactly. It is a discussion piece. I wasn't saying that I know more than our coaches. That fact is, LSU struggled in the passing game last season. 60% of the hurries/sacks could probably be contributed to OL injuries. I would say that 40% of the time we had hurries/sacks, there just wasn't any check offs to hot routes. It could have been the QB's mistake, WR's mistake, or scheme. I just don't understand why people prefer to make wise cracks then to have a good debate which helps to educate other Tiger fans.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:10 pm to tigerfoot
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He got absolutely beat the hell out of in the last few games, and delivered some great balls. He has what it takes to stand in there, he will never buy time in the pocket or scramble, but when you can deliver the ball in the face of pressure it is ok. That is what makes him a little better QB than JLee was early on.
Ole Piss game. He tooks several big shots by the LBs. Like another poster said, "Maybe he just its making the correct reads." The hire of CC really is encouraging. He will help Mett with his reads, so he doesn't get crushed.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 12:16 pm to Drex
quote:I think a little too much is made of this pocket presence.
Pocket presence and buying time to set up in the pocket are major keys to this discussion.
This usually has to do with the internal clock and Mett's was cut short due to OL issues on many plays and some bad reads on others.
It's hard to fault the guy wanting the plays to develop instead of tossing it at the first sign of trouble.
I don't recall many plays where he really held it too long or tried to make something from nothing.
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Mett coachable?, Mett capable?, Mett too set?
People are quick to focus on the QB instead of supporting cast is all.
JJ was crucified on sacks in '09 actually due to a shittastic OL that allowed middle pressure constantly.
Similarly, Mett has had some protection problems and shouldn't shoulder all this blame.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:22 pm to Prominentwon
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I agree with Duckie. frick it. Red 7 Red 7 means hot route on every football field in america.
Unless you're in Maryland and you'd have to add Crabcakes somewhere in there because that's what they do.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:29 pm to NorfolkVATiger
"Huh? A hot route is all about the pre-snap read. That's the same in any formation.
Matt Flynn was excellent at this in 2007 with Early Doucet. Jarrett Lee was good at it in 2008 with Brandon LaFell. He was pretty good in 2011 also although I'm not sure any of the WRs were as good at helping him that year as LaFell in 2008.
It's a matter of recognition by the QB and the designated hot route WR. Works just fine from I-form. Just need to get the QB and the WR to recognize it."
Negative. That's an AUDIBLE. A hot is anticipated on the pre-snap, but you don't alter routes or your steps as a QB unless the blitz comes on the snap. BIG DIFFERENCE. As a play caller, when running an I-form we had checks at the line for what they were giving us (Audibles) but very rarely had hots because of you can ask a guy under center to adjust from a 7-step to a 3-step. When I went to spread, hots were much easier to put into the offense and usually worked off your slot receivers who were coached to immediately go to "hot grass" when the blitz came. In the gun, the QB can see that MUCH easier. Don't confuse AUDIBLE and HOT. It's two different things.
Matt Flynn was excellent at this in 2007 with Early Doucet. Jarrett Lee was good at it in 2008 with Brandon LaFell. He was pretty good in 2011 also although I'm not sure any of the WRs were as good at helping him that year as LaFell in 2008.
It's a matter of recognition by the QB and the designated hot route WR. Works just fine from I-form. Just need to get the QB and the WR to recognize it."
Negative. That's an AUDIBLE. A hot is anticipated on the pre-snap, but you don't alter routes or your steps as a QB unless the blitz comes on the snap. BIG DIFFERENCE. As a play caller, when running an I-form we had checks at the line for what they were giving us (Audibles) but very rarely had hots because of you can ask a guy under center to adjust from a 7-step to a 3-step. When I went to spread, hots were much easier to put into the offense and usually worked off your slot receivers who were coached to immediately go to "hot grass" when the blitz came. In the gun, the QB can see that MUCH easier. Don't confuse AUDIBLE and HOT. It's two different things.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:47 pm to LeagueCityTiger
In my experience (long ago) hot routes were POST snap reads by both the tight end (or RB) and the QB.
It's the very first read by QB at the snap and, if not in shotgun, the drop becomes a three step.
Most posters seem familiar with a PRE snap audible, which requires you to guess on the blitz.
If it doesn't come, aren't you throwing into coverage?
Just asking...
It's the very first read by QB at the snap and, if not in shotgun, the drop becomes a three step.
Most posters seem familiar with a PRE snap audible, which requires you to guess on the blitz.
If it doesn't come, aren't you throwing into coverage?
Just asking...
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:48 pm to toughcrittercrumb
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." The hire of CC really is encouraging. He will help Mett with his reads, so he doesn't get crushed.
We have a qb going on his 5th oc. I wouldnt doubt that a lot of things at this point go in one ear and out the other. I think this all hinges on Mett and his willingness to learn.
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:51 pm to dgnx6
My understanding is more closely aligned with Leaguecity's, except the check off is on every passing play.
The read is the QB and the hot receiver, and nothing changes until the blitz comes....
The read is the QB and the hot receiver, and nothing changes until the blitz comes....
Posted on 2/18/13 at 1:52 pm to Mayhawman
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I don't recall many plays where he really held it too long or tried to make something from nothing.
But plenty of times he held it too long and fumbled the ball. Mett doesnt deserve all the blame, but he was far from being perfect and smart on every play.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 10:27 am to dgnx6
Put the XBox controller down and slowly back away.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 11:29 am to nitwit
Audibles are based on what the defense is showing. If Mett sees that there's 8 in the box and they called an iso or a toss dive he'll check out to a play action pass (hopefully). Hot routes are also based on what the QB sees. Like if he sees a safety or a corner coming up to blitz he'll check to a 3 step drop and signal for a slant.
Posted on 2/19/13 at 12:05 pm to SteveLSU35
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You know what Cam might help with........running in the C gap. Just wanted to say something from youth football like the OP.
NEVER run up the middle
Use flea flicker once a game
REVERSE!!!
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:34 pm to toughcrittercrumb
Hot rout
Hot rout
Blue 37, hot rout
Idk what hot rout means.
Could you just go stand over there please?
Crab cakes and football, that's what Maryland does!
Hot rout
Blue 37, hot rout
Idk what hot rout means.
Could you just go stand over there please?
Crab cakes and football, that's what Maryland does!
Posted on 2/19/13 at 1:57 pm to toughcrittercrumb
Well basically the previous 4 years Jefferson couldn't read a defense or make an audible without the sideline writing it in ALL CAPS on a whiteboard
And gradually over time we dumbed down the offense to about 5 I formation running plays so anything resembling thinking on the fly (hot route) has been non-existant and completely removed from the offense. Let's hope it doesn't take 5 years to get that back.
And gradually over time we dumbed down the offense to about 5 I formation running plays so anything resembling thinking on the fly (hot route) has been non-existant and completely removed from the offense. Let's hope it doesn't take 5 years to get that back.
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