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A football program’s demise always starts with bad recruiting in the trenches.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:02 am
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:02 am
Mike Archer hated to recruit and was horrible at it. By the time he was fired, the talent in the O line and D line was at a multi-year low. LSU was physically dominated in 1989 which led to his firing.
Curley was a moron, but Curley could not recover from the lack of beef left to him. Kevin Mawae was the sole bright spot. And the D…. Do y’all remember A&M running through Mike Bugar’s tiny D-line like it wasn’t there? We had a guy named David Carmona starting at D tackle at one point. He was like 5’11” 250 lbs.
Tennessee’s slide started when they could no longer land guys like Albert Haynesworth. They couldn’t stop the run or run the ball. FSU is losing right now because they are unable to control the line of scrimmage.
What I’m saying is that it could be years before O’s failure to keep both lines well stocked is fixed. The new coach might get fired before it’s fixed.
Curley was a moron, but Curley could not recover from the lack of beef left to him. Kevin Mawae was the sole bright spot. And the D…. Do y’all remember A&M running through Mike Bugar’s tiny D-line like it wasn’t there? We had a guy named David Carmona starting at D tackle at one point. He was like 5’11” 250 lbs.
Tennessee’s slide started when they could no longer land guys like Albert Haynesworth. They couldn’t stop the run or run the ball. FSU is losing right now because they are unable to control the line of scrimmage.
What I’m saying is that it could be years before O’s failure to keep both lines well stocked is fixed. The new coach might get fired before it’s fixed.
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Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:04 am to Slippy
O can do really well with someone else’s recruits.
Can’t do much with his own
Can’t do much with his own
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:04 am to Slippy
And all the programs on top right now consistently land top tier o lineman. Bama, Georgia, Oklahoma, Ohio state
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:04 am to Slippy
Plenty of d line talent
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:05 am to Slippy
We have a bunch of bodies that are not conditioned or coached up. We can recover under a new regime.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:06 am to Slippy
I agree but I think we’ve recruited DL well over the years. Those guys are more plentiful in LA and our recruiting footprint. OL recruiting has always seemed to be a struggle because the state doesn’t produce those guys often. The last 3 classes of OL recruiting and development will tell you exactly what’s wrong with our offense.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:13 am to TaderSalad
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O can do really well with someone else’s recruits
It’s been all down hill for O since the championship game, but 2019 was his team. Not full if Les Miles recruits.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:18 am to Slippy
Agree, that's where success and winning starts.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:21 am to Slippy
I’m gonna guess that the players we got on the d line that everyone wanted are pretty good but haven’t been coached well. I mean mason smith Roy and guillory were huge recruits every coach went after. So was bj and Phillip Webb .
O line hasn’t been the best though
O line hasn’t been the best though
Posted on 10/11/21 at 7:23 am to Slippy
Bama and UGA have 5 stars waiting to play behind 5 stars.
That’s not just good recruiting. There is a team culture that these players want to be a part of.
We don’t have that.
That’s not just good recruiting. There is a team culture that these players want to be a part of.
We don’t have that.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:13 am to dstone12
Rosenthal walking right off the team to start at another and then bulldoze the shite out of us is a clarion call to our main issue.
Over 60 years ago my dad taught me to take the first 5 minutes of each half and only concentrate on the line play. To him, that was the story of EVERY FOOTBALL GAME!! As true today as it ever was.
Over 60 years ago my dad taught me to take the first 5 minutes of each half and only concentrate on the line play. To him, that was the story of EVERY FOOTBALL GAME!! As true today as it ever was.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:27 am to Lou the Jew from LSU
This was the problem with the 90s teams.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:49 am to TaderSalad
Because his recruits are vastly overrated then never developed.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:52 am to Slippy
Recruiting is not technically the problem. It's roster management, no in-game adjustments, and not being able to coach them up which is the achillis heel. All signs of that shite sandwich point to one man.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 8:55 am to PUB
Exactly! LSU fans are obsessed with recruiting class rankings, but the classes turn out to be duds. We celebrate a 5 star while Saban has a bench full of them. All we have are a bunch of fat guys who can’t block or tackle.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:02 am to Slippy
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LSU was physically dominated in 1989
RT - Robert Packnett (3-yr starter)
RG - Chris Truax
OC - Blake Miller (1st Team All-SEC in 1990 and drafted in 1992 by New England)
LG - Ruffin (3-yr starter and 2nd team All-SEC in 1988)
LT - Jim Hubics (3-yr starter)
The key name missing from the 1988 Co-SEC Champion was Ralph Norwood at LT.....while center Todd Couttee left, Blake was an upgrade.
1989 would not be the best point to reference.
As far as recruiting, you mentioned Kevin and his class was regarded as the best full oline unit recruited that year. That said, they were plagued by career-ending injuries......Kevin and Ross Setters were the only two that stayed healthy. Bad luck.
Now, after the 1989 recruiting class, it went south fast.
ETA: as for dline.....you are dead wrong (these were Pete Jenkins' boys!)
Karl Dunbar was a fricking stud, but had a nagging foot injury throughout 1989
Clint James was also a stud and 4-year starter at DT
Marc Boutte at NT was stout and drafted in 1992 in the early rounds and had a respectable NFL career
Kenny Davidson as a reserve was a physical freak (6'5" 275lbs running a 4.6s 40) and drafted in the second round of the NFL draft by the STeelers. Yeah, he was streaky but dangerous.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 9:10 am
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:29 am to Slippy
Yeah sure but also, making absolute horrendous hires for coordinators will do it too
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:31 am to T
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It’s been all down hill for O since the championship game, but 2019 was his team. Not full if Les Miles recruits.
That 2019 team had more of Miles Recruiting and evaluation than you think. The 2016 recruits were Miles last class, included Cush, Fulton, Rashard Lawrence, M, Divinity, Logan (who was a starter in Aranda's 34 defense). Most of the 2017 class was already committed in Junior Day and Summer Evals after the LSU summer camp. Those were all based on Miles Recruiting board and his evals. Jacoby Stephens, Tyler Shevlin, Grant Delpit, Kary Vincent, Sadiq Charles, Patrick Queen, and Clyde were all committed either in February of 2016, JR Day (Queen and Clyde) or during the LSU Summer 2016 Recruiting camps.
O had to hold them yes, Chaisson and Jacob Phillips did not commit till early 2017 before signing date so those 2 while on LSU's board before Miles was fired, had not committed yet.
I say look at the 2018 to 2020 classes, those are O's in that he is the head Man and those Recruits since he makes the final call on who to recruit or not and who to sign are his. 18 and 19 are busts. 20 not looking to good, 21 looks good at certain positions, but holes at certain position groups.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:39 am to Tigerpride18
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O line hasn’t been the best though
U think? People leaving, Transfers, bad OL recruiting, bad OL hires and no OL development. That will end a coach's job. When you got juniors/seniors playing like true freshman you got big problems.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 10/11/21 at 9:47 am to T
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but 2019 was his team.
He was the coach, so it was his team. That is how it works.
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Not full if Les Miles recruits.
Not full but there were quite a few. It is disingenius to say Miles directed recruiting had no effect on the team in 2019.
These guys were on the roster in 2016 and 2019
Adrian Magee
Andre Anthony
Blake Ferguson
Cameron Lewis
Connor Culp
Dee Anderson
Derrick Dillon
Donavaughn Campbell
Eric Monroe
Glen Logan
Jakori Savage
Jamal Pettigrew
Kristian Fulton
Lanard Fournette
Lloyd Cushenberry III
Michael Divinity Jr.
Michael Smith
Rashard Lawrence
Ray Thornton
Stephen Sullivan
Zach Von Rosenberg
These are guys who were committed before the coaching change. There may be more, just the guys I know of.
CEH
Patrick Queen
Saahdiq Charles
Grant Delpit
Kary Vincent
JaCoby Stevens
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