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re: A few examples of just how open our WRs were yesterday.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:25 pm to Doby
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:25 pm to Doby
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Look how much he moves on that 3rd down play. Holy shite! It was damn near perfect protection! That dude is AFRAID!
That isn't the worst of it. Check out his demeanor prior to the play while he is getting the play call in from the sideline. He's all jumpy & jittery then he never bothers to even read the defense pre snap before asking for the snap.
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Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:31 pm to Cs
Haha. Your very first example has a shadow of a defensive player in it who is right behind the receiver. Plus there is an underneath defender you'd have to squeeze it past. The trick to playing defense is to guess right. There are almost always going to be some guys open, but if that's your third read, and the pass rush is good it does you no good.
And Koy Moore? There is no way you can call him open on that play. There is a defender between him and the QB. Brennan would have had to float a pass to him, and God knows how many defenders could have been able to make a play. Your idiotic examples often show receivers at the edge of the frame. A defender could be two yards away.
And Koy Moore? There is no way you can call him open on that play. There is a defender between him and the QB. Brennan would have had to float a pass to him, and God knows how many defenders could have been able to make a play. Your idiotic examples often show receivers at the edge of the frame. A defender could be two yards away.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:36 pm to Doby
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Look how much he moves on that 3rd down play. Holy shite! It was damn near perfect protection! That dude is AFRAID!
There's a moment later in the game where this becomes really apparent, and even Gary Danielson calls out Brennan on this.
Here's the play.
2nd down and 20 at the end of the game. MSU rushes three. One lineman goes down, so you only have two rushing.
Instead of keeping his eyes downfield in his perfect pocket and throwing a pass, Myles freaks out, tucks the ball, gets happy feet, starts staring at the two defense linemen that are being blocked, and runs into one of them for the sack.
Gary Danielson after the play - "3 man rush, really good protection, and Myles Brennan right there just does not have confidence to let that ball go in the small seams, he dances around and causes his own sack".
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:42 pm to BigBrod81
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That isn't the worst of it. Check out his demeanor prior to the play while he is getting the play call in from the sideline. He's all jumpy & jittery then he never bothers to even read the defense pre snap before asking for the snap.
From in game to post game, the guy really choked and looked like a punk. The coaching staff sees the issues with him and will keep him on a short leash for Vandy. How could they not, we are crucifying him through telecast film with a limited scope of play development. It’s got to just be brutal to watch on coach’s film. TJ will get some 1st team snaps this week.
I’ve got news for you all, if we run the ball over 60% of the snaps against Vandy we are mailing in this season.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:50 pm to Penrod
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Haha. Your very first example has a shadow of a defensive player in it who is right behind the receiver. Plus there is an underneath defender you'd have to squeeze it past. The trick to playing defense is to guess right. There are almost always going to be some guys open, but if that's your third read, and the pass rush is good it does you no good.
And Koy Moore? There is no way you can call him open on that play. There is a defender between him and the QB. Brennan would have had to float a pass to him, and God knows how many defenders could have been able to make a play. Your idiotic examples often show receivers at the edge of the frame. A defender could be two yards away.
Go rewatch the game, its on Youtube, use the pause button, MB misses open WR everywhere.
Now coaches should have adjusted and used the run more and should have realized he could not process fast enough for most of the long routes, but the offense was pretty much the same we ran the second half of the year and we had guys running every where.
Bama is going to drop 60 on MSU, Ole Miss is gonna drop 50 if they use the same scheme.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 12:51 pm to Cs
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2nd down and 20 at the end of the game. MSU rushes three. One lineman goes down, so you only have two rushing.
Instead of keeping his eyes downfield in his perfect pocket and throwing a pass, Myles freaks out, tucks the ball, gets happy feet, starts staring at the two defense linemen that are being blocked, and runs into one of them for the sack.
Gary Danielson after the play - "3 man rush, really good protection, and Myles Brennan right there just does not have confidence to let that ball go in the small seams, he dances around and causes his own sack".
At the very least, he could have thrown it underneath to Marshall & not taken the sack.
What probably caused Gary Danielson to say what he said, is the fact McMath (unfortunately you can't see it in this frame) has raced down the seam on the right side & is matched up one on one with a safety. You can see it in the video though.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:08 pm to Doby
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The coaching staff sees the issues with him and will keep him on a short leash for Vandy. How could they not, we are crucifying him through telecast film with a limited scope of play development. It’s got to just be brutal to watch on coach’s film. TJ will get some 1st team snaps this week.
My goodness what a melt. Dude, he missed some open guys, he also made a lot of on time and on target throws. He's got to learn to be comfortable in the pocket and let the ball go when he sees it. That will come with reps.
TBH I'm more concerned about the running game
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:11 pm to Not Cooper
Just so people understand how much he was holding the ball
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Brennan averaged 2.87 seconds to throw, longest in the SEC this season.
He had 3.14 seconds in the pocket to throw, second-most in SEC
He threw the ball in less than 2.5 seconds on just 28% of attempts, lowest in SEC (completed 13 of 16).
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:17 pm to Not Cooper
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Dude, he missed some open guys, he also made a lot of on time and on target throws. He's got to learn to be comfortable in the pocket and let the ball go when he sees it. That will come with reps
Lol, go watch the game.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:22 pm to Cs
I feel like the Brennan defenders must have watched the game on tv, because live, how open our receivers were was glaring.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:22 pm to Not Cooper
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Dude, he missed some open guys
He missed a lot of open guys, all game long.
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He's got to learn to be comfortable in the pocket
He appears terrified of getting hit so that maybe easier said than done.
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let the ball go when he sees it.
Again, there were a lot of open guys he missed because he made the wrong read initially or he took his eyes away from his receivers to look at the pass rush. He also rolled or slide right into the majority of the sacks he took. These are serious problems that may not be fixable.
This post was edited on 9/29/20 at 1:34 pm
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:25 pm to Doby
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Lol, go watch the game.
I did, twice. He wasn't good. I never said he was good. If he trusts what he sees and lets it go the guys are there. He made a lot of good throws to go along with a lot of bad.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:25 pm to Delacroix22
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Never seen anything like it
Were you asleep from 2009-2018?
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:29 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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They’re going to give Brennan the Vandy game. He will play well enough to convince the coaching staff to keep trotting him out there.
The Vandy game isn’t going to be a picnic for the offense. A&M struggled badly with that D last week and made Mond look even worse than he really is. If Miles plays well, then he’s earned the spot for another week.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:32 pm to Makavellimw
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Holding ball 3 seconds or less: 21 of 29 (72.4%), 250 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 88.9 adjusted completion % (!), 109.8 passer rating Holding ball longer than 3 seconds: 7 of 18 (38.9%), 105 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT, 57.1 adj. %, 56.3 rating
You can’t get much clearer than that. It’s a tough job, but if he is what he is, then the staff has to call Laura and even dictate the order of reads to get the ball out of his hands in 3 seconds or less.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:44 pm to BigBrod81
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he made the wrong read initially
You have no idea what his initial read is supposed to be on each play. Even looking at the replay when working through his progressions he double clutched a lot like he saw it and wanted to throw it but didn't.
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He also rolled or slide right into the majority of the sacks he took.
Yes that was an issue. He stepped back a few times when stepping up would've yielded a clean pocket, and he ran away from perfect pockets. He didn't have great presence. That could come with time and reps, it may not. My point is, had he just let the ball go a lot of that never comes into play. It's going to be beaten to death, and if you see the same issues with indecisiveness this weekend then he probably doesn't have it. But it was his first college game, and a lot of those issues are simple to fix. I'm willing to give him some time.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 1:51 pm to Not Cooper
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Yes that was an issue. He stepped back a few times when stepping up would've yielded a clean pocket, and he ran away from perfect pockets. He didn't have great presence. That could come with time and reps, it may not.
So why wait? Move on, we have a good back up in Myles should things get really bad. He can’t get any worse and his confidence can’t get anymore shook. He’s at rock bottom. Let’s play some others against Vandy and see what we can do to move the chains.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:15 pm to Cs
EXACTLY!!!
I am a Brennan fan but that is my biggest concern after the game. The issue was not playcalling or scheme nor was it Ensminger, Linehan, or no Brady. He just didn't pull the trigger. As bad as the defense was - the offense left 30 points on the field.
In 43 years, I have only seen receivers running so open twice. In 97 against UF they had open guys all night but our dline was having a party 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage and Tepper's first real game against UGA (Quincy still owes us money for that one).
I believe he will get much better but he will not be late 2019 Burrow next week. Poise and decision making are always the last lessons to learn no matter who you are, what walk of life you are in, or how good your other tools are.
I am a Brennan fan but that is my biggest concern after the game. The issue was not playcalling or scheme nor was it Ensminger, Linehan, or no Brady. He just didn't pull the trigger. As bad as the defense was - the offense left 30 points on the field.
In 43 years, I have only seen receivers running so open twice. In 97 against UF they had open guys all night but our dline was having a party 7 yards behind the line of scrimmage and Tepper's first real game against UGA (Quincy still owes us money for that one).
I believe he will get much better but he will not be late 2019 Burrow next week. Poise and decision making are always the last lessons to learn no matter who you are, what walk of life you are in, or how good your other tools are.
Posted on 9/29/20 at 2:23 pm to Doby
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So why wait? Move on, we have a good back up in Myles should things get really bad. He can’t get any worse and his confidence can’t get anymore shook. He’s at rock bottom.
Dude...... what the frick is wrong with you. He's played 1 game, it was not great. It's not like he's out there throwing picks left and right and not moving the ball. We had 345 passing yards. He made a lot of bad plays but he didn't just accidentally get 345 yards. Rock bottom would have been scoring 7 points vs. MSU like we did in 2017.
There are positives to work with here and a pretty clear path forward.
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