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re: _________ at quarterback in the NCG, tigers win (2000s Tiger qbs)
Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:07 pm to TortiousTiger
Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:07 pm to TortiousTiger
Forget just winning 1/9
2011 LSU with JR as the QB is the GOAT no questions asked IMO.
After that I put everyone else in the maybe category.
They all played games at LSU that if they put that effort on the field would have given LSU a great shot to win, and the game didn't completely get away until early 4th quarter. On the other hand JR and maybe Ro are the only ones that I think make it a likely win.
2011 LSU with JR as the QB is the GOAT no questions asked IMO.
After that I put everyone else in the maybe category.
They all played games at LSU that if they put that effort on the field would have given LSU a great shot to win, and the game didn't completely get away until early 4th quarter. On the other hand JR and maybe Ro are the only ones that I think make it a likely win.
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Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:Jimbo Fisher and the Refs cost LSU that game.
Anyone that blames JR for the Auburn loss doesn't know football
Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:41 pm to TortiousTiger
No offense, but this is stupid. Gameplanning would be diff depending on theI qb, we still could have lost with either of those guys. Just may have been closer.
shite we could have won with any of those guys on a diff day also.
Refresh my memory, but im thinking mauk, flynn, jmarc, rp and JJ are the ones to play in a championship game, whether it was seccg or bcscg. Mauk is the only one to play in 3 and he won 3.
shite we could have won with any of those guys on a diff day also.
Refresh my memory, but im thinking mauk, flynn, jmarc, rp and JJ are the ones to play in a championship game, whether it was seccg or bcscg. Mauk is the only one to play in 3 and he won 3.
This post was edited on 2/27/12 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:46 pm to dgnx6
If the game plan doesn't change we don't win with any of those guys, we only got past the 50 once (and quickly fumbled)
Posted on 2/27/12 at 9:51 pm to Tiger1242
Thats what im thinking if gameplan is same we lose. Now would they have oppened the passing game up wit jmarc davey or flynn? Prob not until it was too late.
Posted on 2/28/12 at 7:21 am to Tiger1242
quote:The game I watched there were turnstiles installed in place of the OL.
If the game plan doesn't change we don't win with any of those guys
I don't see any QB doing much without better execution around him.
There really aren't any gameplans if you consistently lose the LOS.
Posted on 2/28/12 at 10:49 am to Mayhawman
quote:
The game I watched there were turnstiles installed in place of the OL.
I don't see any QB doing much without better execution around him.
There really aren't any gameplans if you consistently lose the LOS.
While there is some truth to this, it is fair to say the loss was truly a team effort by the entire offense, players of all position groups, coaches, execution, gameplan, effort, will-to-win, emotion, drive, competitive spirit - ALL OF IT was lacking.
Posted on 2/28/12 at 10:59 am to TigerNlc
quote:
Lost to Auburn and Florida in 06 and Bama was better than both of those so I wouldn't say he would easily win both
But that was with the 2006 personel. 2011 LSU was better at every position than 2006 except WR and prolly LB.
Posted on 2/28/12 at 11:06 am to Mayhawman
quote:
If the game plan doesn't change we don't win with any of those guys
I think you have a very different game play with a better passing QB, plus Bama has a different defenseive game plan.
quote:
The game I watched there were turnstiles installed in place of the OL.
I don't see any QB doing much without better execution around him.
There really aren't any gameplans if you consistently lose the LOS
This is a very good point, however, there were a couple of plays in both games, that better passes/QB's would have made for TD's. The long pass to Shep at the end of the first half was under throw or he would have scored. The pass to OBJ for 19 yds in the NCG, Deangelo was wide open down the middle of the field. JR, Davey, Flynn, Mauck all hit that pass for a TD.
Posted on 2/28/12 at 11:29 am to TortiousTiger
quote:Heart of a Champion >>> Raw talent
MAYBE
Rohan
Posted on 2/28/12 at 11:53 am to Tiger_n_ATL
WIN--Jamarcus, flynn, Mauck, & Rohan
LOSS--randall, jefferson
MAYBE--Lee, Booty
(We should have been able to answer the Lee question definitively, but Les went down with his Titanic.)
LOSS--randall, jefferson
MAYBE--Lee, Booty
(We should have been able to answer the Lee question definitively, but Les went down with his Titanic.)
Posted on 2/28/12 at 12:00 pm to yungtigr
quote:
2011 LSU with JR as the QB is the GOAT no questions asked IMO.
Probably so. I think Russell and Davey are our best bets because both of them were huge and could complete passes with defenders draped all over them, which would've been a prerequisite for beating that Bama D.
Certainly either of them would've been able to hit Landry on that crossing pattern, 6.
Posted on 2/28/12 at 12:49 pm to Cold Cous Cous
No mention of RP yet? He was a starting QB and I think he would be a toss up. Any QB able to stand in the pocket, take a hit, and make a throw downfield could kept LSU in the game.
Posted on 2/28/12 at 1:10 pm to TortiousTiger
Lee is a maybe and Mauck would have won... 
Posted on 2/29/12 at 5:21 am to H-Town Tiger
quote:I'm not arguing that point, except to say this happens a couple times damn near every game played on Sundays, and to much better QBs than you had in mind.
there were a couple of plays in both games, that better passes/QB's would have made for TD's.
Be careful the bleacher and the recliner doesn't make you more critical than when you played the game.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 7:12 am to Mayhawman
if we had the same gameplan then none of them would have won.
Maybe
Saban
Arnsparger
Dinardo - Loss
Archer - Loss
Hallman - Loss
Stovall - Loss
Cholly mac - Loss
Miles - Loss
Maybe
Saban
Arnsparger
Dinardo - Loss
Archer - Loss
Hallman - Loss
Stovall - Loss
Cholly mac - Loss
Miles - Loss
Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:05 am to 800lbgorilla
quote:If they could have motivated the players to win more of the individual battles needed to execute the gameplan, yes.
if we had the same gameplan then none of them would have won.
Maybe
Saban
Arnsparger
I've said elsewhere, LSU had taken on some pretty well thought out schemes 13 games prior and came out on top because they foiled the execution of opponents gameplans by winning those little battles.
Ask WVU or UO......ask Petrino about his vs Gumps.
There is no magic gameplan.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:10 am to TortiousTiger
Saban's defense against LSU was not that complicated. He simply forced the action faster than Jordan Jefferson could make decisions. Jefferson never displayed even an average ability to read defenses at the line of scrimmage. So Alabama would give him a look that took away all quick developing plays, and then they got after him with as much pressure as possible. He simply couldn't fiigure out what to do fast enough.
I don't think that would have been a problem for several of LSU's prior QB's to burn Alabama's defense for a big play or two. The only QB's who would give me doubts would be Lee and Randall. For all their other faults Russell, Davey and Booty were able to make the reads and throw quick slants and other hot routes. I don't think Saban would have tried the same defense against Mauck or Flynn.
I don't think that would have been a problem for several of LSU's prior QB's to burn Alabama's defense for a big play or two. The only QB's who would give me doubts would be Lee and Randall. For all their other faults Russell, Davey and Booty were able to make the reads and throw quick slants and other hot routes. I don't think Saban would have tried the same defense against Mauck or Flynn.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:32 am to Poodlebrain
quote:I believe Jefferson was right at 65%CR on these type routes, just nothing long.
For all their other faults Russell, Davey and Booty were able to make the reads and throw quick slants and other hot routes.
Not that there was much time for development of deep routes.
I recall how well a sophisticated Hog pass O did vs the Gumps and everybody thinks it was the answer for NCG.
2 offenses had success vs UA- LSU and GSU and that was with ground based attack schemes.
Posted on 2/29/12 at 8:53 am to H-Town Tiger
With our game plan in this game we loose with either QB.
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