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re: 9-4 is not a good season.

Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:03 am to
Posted by cj2002
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:03 am to
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What has happened to us!! I miss not fearing anyone and being elite so bad. We are now worried about miss st!? Ahhh.


When Miles was here I feared everyone. We were so close to losing so many games it wasn't funny.

The offense was almost always garbage, and we had to win with defense or special teams.

The sorry part about that was, we had NFL talent. Coaching was causing us to play weak teams close, and lose to Kentucky and Arkansas in 07. Get smoked in the NCG in 11. Lose at Auburn with JR handing off until we didn't have enough time on the clock to win the game passing. That is not even mentioning the piss poor management of the game.
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11446 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 7:18 am to
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When Miles was here I feared everyone. We were so close to losing so many games it wasn't funny.


You must really hate watching Now. I mean O actually did lose to Troy and got blown out by Moo State. Now people are saying 9-4 is a good season and are worried about teams like MSU and LA Tech while conceding automatic losses to Alabama and UGA.

Welcome to the real decline.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 7:25 am
Posted by RedTigerRulz
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Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 8:25 am to
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9-4 is a good season


It may not be....but O will not lose his job if he posts this record this season.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:11 am to
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yep he proved he could win more SEC games than the previous staff generally did in recent years



yeah hopefully we can play 5 sec teams with 6 losses or more every year.
he didnt beat a single sec team with less than 4 losses.

Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:13 am to
You are so
Pathetic...
Posted by 00 Tech Grad
My homestead, AL
Member since Nov 2009
11446 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:16 am to
Your stalking of Rick is creepy dude.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:17 am to
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It's just so stupid I can't believe you keep repeating this nonsense.



Well in truth...he shouldn't have even said it to the players.

Something along the lines of "Hey let's get better and improve off this bowl victory so that we can make a run at the playoffs next season" would have been more palatable.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:21 am to
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When Miles was here I feared everyone. We were so close to losing so many games it wasn't funny. 



this is a you issue
during his tenure no program beat more ranked teams than lsu did.

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The offense was almost always garbage, and we had to win with defense or special teams. 



lsu's all time top 5 offenses in ppg and ypg are almost exclusively Miles teams

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The sorry part about that was, we had NFL talent.

yeah, who do you think was responsible for that talent? let me guess...
anyone but miles
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Coaching was causing us to play weak teams close, and lose to Kentucky and Arkansas in 07.


they greatest coach of alltime(saban) with by far more talent than lsu LOSES TO AN INFERIOR TEAM EVERY SINGLE YEAR. how is it this vast underachievement for lesser coaches to lose 2 or 3 when the greatest coach in cfb history loses to inferior teams every year?

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Lose at Auburn with JR handing off until we didn't have enough time on the clock to win the game passing. That is not even mentioning the piss poor management of the game.


im amazed by how many lsu fans will shite on the most accomplished tenure in lsu history just because they would rather pass the ball than run the ball.


Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104136 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:22 am to
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yeah hopefully we can play 5 sec teams with 6 losses or more every year. 
he didnt beat a single sec team with less than 4 losses. 

I'm not sure why this has to keep being repeated. The CFP committee judges teams by their win loss record and then the qualities of those wins. Since the CFP is the goal for every season, it stands to reason that this is the way we as fans should judge the season as well.

IMO, this has always been the way to gauge the success of the season, but it doesn't appear to be the case for everyone.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104136 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 9:25 am to
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they greatest coach of alltime(saban) with by far more talent than lsu LOSES TO AN INFERIOR TEAM EVERY SINGLE YEAR. how is it this vast underachievement for lesser coaches to lose 2 or 3 when the greatest coach in cfb history loses to inferior teams every year? 

I guarantee someone is going to use this argument against you as an excuse for losing to Troy. I will simply say the 6th most talented team vs the 116th most talented team.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16106 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 1:59 pm to
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Something along the lines of "Hey let's get better and improve off this bowl victory so that we can make a run at the playoffs next season" would have been more palatable.


If you just "think" you are going to win a title (say a UFC title for ex. but applies to any sport) you most likely won't. But if you really believe and "know" you are going to win a title, it is much more likely to happen. It's just basic coaching 101. YOU have to know it. You have to visualize it. You don't go around telling yourself or others that "maybe its possible". The first step is to know that you will get it.

I saw a press conference before the Rockhold/Bisping fight and Rockhold corrected a reporters question and said, I don't think I am going to win, I "know" I am going to win this fight (he lost BTW). Then he went on to explain why it is an important distinction to make for a proper mental attitude and that fighters who just "think they can win it" are most likely never going to get there.

Same thing with McGregor. He talked about the same exact thing of why you have to "know" you are going to win. You don't say "maybe I might be able to win". That is loser talk.

I would hope coach O is instilling that type of thinking in his players again this year. You don't go into it wishing or hoping, as a player you have to believe it and know it and prepare accordingly. Like a champion.

That's why I don't get all this hate towards coach O for trying to instill that type of belief system in his players. Whether you agree with theory or not, it's not like it is some outlandish, off the wall, type of coach talk to tell his players.

If you want to hate on O. Go ahead, but find something better that makes more sense to question him about. There is plenty of legitimate ammo to fire at him but you are firing blanks on this one.

all this "but he lied to us fans, he said he was going to go to the playoffs last year and he didn't. He is a liar." is really some pathetic bull crap to get on a coach about.

edit: especially being he said it in the locker room after the last game of the season, the Louisville bowl game, to his players. Just that there were reporters there in the locker room who put it in headlines and dumbass ranters just read the headline without getting the context of the situation and repeat it over and over in threads, trying either purposely or ignorantly, to make it into something it is not.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 2:16 pm
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33887 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:12 pm to
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If you just "think" you are going to win a title (say a UFC title for ex. but applies to any sport) you most likely won't. But if you really believe and "know" you are going to win a title, it is much more likely to happen. It's just basic coaching 101. YOU have to know it. You have to visualize it. You don't go around telling yourself or others that "maybe its possible". The first step is to know that you will get it.


Yeah but the best coaches don't tell their players we're going to win a NC.

Someone like Saban says we're going to have a good, productive, first practice of the spring and let's go from there. Then we'll have another good practice. You have enough good practices and guess what, you'll have a good team. Hate to use a trite saying but he emphasizes the process over the destination. Orgeron does the opposite. He says we're going to win and win quickly. Bravado is his calling card.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:23 pm to
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If you just "think" you are going to win a title (say a UFC title for ex. but applies to any sport) you most likely won't. But if you really believe and "know" you are going to win a title, it is much more likely to happen. It's just basic coaching 101. YOU have to know it. You have to visualize it. You don't go around telling yourself or others that "maybe its possible". The first step is to know that you will get it. 






Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16106 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:26 pm to
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Yeah but the best coaches don't tell their players we're going to win a NC.


yeah, well whether you think it is a good method or not, it's not some bizarre unheard of way of motivating and visualizing in an athlete. Of course it is part of a "process". Just because Orgeron doesn't throw around the word 'process" every other sentence doesn't mean the team isn't working hard every single practice and drill.

I get it. Saban uses the word 'process' a lot so therefore you think Orgeron should as well.

Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104136 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:37 pm to
I think it's little less traditional than the "tear em down and build em up" method. My question for you Willie is how do you think the players will respond when O tells them their gonna make it to the CFP this year or next year?

Full disclosure, I don't think there's really a right way to do it.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16106 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:37 pm to
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lol


I get it, you rather the word process as well. Just trying to explain to you the thinking of a fairly common motivation technique in sports. You don't believe in the power of positive thinking. I'm not a big fan of it either. But a lot athletes do. IN that press conference Bisping made fun of Rockhold for all that positive thinking mumbo jumbo and wound up knocking Rockhold out in a huge upset. But if anyone would have bet money on Rockhold and blamed it on Rockhold for "lying" to them would have been thought an idiot.

Only LSU rantards would accuse the coach of 'lying to us!" for trying to use positive thinking to motivate his players

If you want to knock Coach O for using positive thinking motivation techniques and a corny slogan such as "one heartbeat" do it for that. You won't look like such an idiot.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16106 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:45 pm to
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My question for you Willie is how do you think the players will respond when O tells them their gonna make it to the CFP this year or next year?


I don't know. What did McGregor do after he lost to Diaz? I know he didn't stop thinking positivity. What is the recommendation in the "positive thinking" books (which there are books on the subject). Abandon the technique or thought process? I don't know. I wonder what Rockhold did when he got knocked out in the first round by Bisping after all that positive thinking mumbo jumbo.

I'm sure there are a lot more athletes and sports teams that use that that don't become the champ or title holder than do, just because there can only be one champ.

I mean it's no secret that Orgeron believes in positively thinking. Lot of things he says and does seem to indicate that besides the whole "we're going to go to the playoffs" thing.

I really myself don't believe in the power of positive thinking type stuff, although I do like being in a positive environment with positive energy people around me. To me you are just setting yourself up to get smacked in the face because life is going to kick your teeth in at some point. But I, and probably most people (other than ranters), would rather be in a positive environment than a negative one.

But if you don't like positive thinking, call orgeron out for that, Don't make up this whole thing that he is a "liar" . It just makes people that do look either like they are stupid or maybe they ae just ignorant of the context.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 2:57 pm
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Member since Mar 2007
22097 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:52 pm to
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Coaching was causing us to play weak teams close, and lose to Kentucky and Arkansas in 07




Troy, Syracuse, and MISSISSIPPI frickING STATE say hello.
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
104136 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:54 pm to
Honestly, I'm not sure MMA fighters is an apples to apples comparison because they compete as individuals. I guess I could have phrased my question better. Do you think the message of making it to the playoffs will get tiring if it's continued to be used and they don't make it? That's my concern when mainly using a motivational approach vs the tactical approach. I worry that it can get stale real fast.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48015 posts
Posted on 4/25/18 at 2:58 pm to
this has been explained to you before.


the playoff qoute is too push back on the o sycophants that say everyone knew we were in a rebuild. a head coach that thinks he is in a rebuild DOES NOT tell his players that they are going to be a playoff team.
since this is such common practicen link me to other cfb coaches that let it get out into the public about making the playoff.



its cute watching you defend someone that did nothing but bash lsu for 30 years while you incessantly bashed a lsu coach that generally loves the program.

This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 3:03 pm
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