re: 24-23 But Who Did He Beat?

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LSU trailed in OT.

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That could be it, but still never trailed in the 4th quarter, a key component of this stat. Depends on how they considered it I guess.

I looked at our losses to see how they compared, i.e. how many we lost after leading.

Losses since 2005 (Under Miles)
1st score is LSU-Opp at end of third quarter followed by the final score. If we lost the game at the end, time is included.

2005 (11-2)
#10 Tennessee @ #4 LSU, 24-7 => 24-24 (They tied at 2:02 remaining) => 24-27 OT.
#13 Georgia vs. #3 LSU, 7-24 => 14-34 (SEC Championship Game, Atlanta).

2006 (11-2)
@ #3 Auburn vs. #6 LSU, 3-7 => 3-7
@ #5 Florida vs. #9 LSU, Florida 7-23 => 10-23

2007 (12-2)
@ #17 Kentucky vs. #1 LSU, 27-21 => 27-27 (They tied at 4:21 remaining.) => 37-43 (3 OT).
UR Arkansas @ #1 LSU, 21-21 => 28-28 (We tied at 0:57 remaining.) => 48-50 (3 OT).

2008 (8-5)
@ #11 Florida vs. #4 LSU, 14-34 => 21-51
#9 Georgia @ #11 LSU, 17-38 => 38-52
#1 Alabama @ #15 LSU, 14-21 => 21-21 (We tied with 6:12 remaining.) => 21-27 OT
UR Ole Miss @ #18 LSU, 13-28 => 13-31
@ UR Arkansas vs. UR LSU, 30-20 => 30-31 (0:21)

2009 (9-4)
#1 Florida @ #4 LSU, 3-10 => 3-13
@ #3 Alabama vs. #9 LSU, 15-10 => 15-24
@ UR Ole Miss vs. #10 LSU, 17-15 => 23-25
#11 Penn State vs. #13 LSU, 10-16 => 19-17 (0:57) (Capitol One Bowl)

2010 (11-2)
@ #5 Auburn vs. #6 LSU, 10-17 => 17-24
@ #12 Arkansas vs. #6 LSU, 20-21 => 23-31

2011 (13-1)
#2 Alabama vs. #1 LSU, 0-15 => 0-21 (Nat'l championship game)

2012 (10-3)
@ #10 Florida vs. #4 LSU, 6-7 => 6-14
#1 Alabama @ #5 LSU, 10-14 => 17-21 (0:51)
#14 Clemson vs. #9 LSU, 24-13 => 24-25 (0:00) (Chick Fil-A Bowl)

2013 (10-3)
@ #9 Georgia vs. #6 LSU, 27-34 => 41-44
@ UR Ole Miss vs. #6 LSU, 14-24 => 24-27 (0:02)
@ #1 Alabama vs. #10 LSU, 17-24 => 17-38

2014 (7-2)
UR Miss. State @ #8 LSU, 10-31 => 29-34
@ #5 Auburn vs. #15 LSU, 7-34 => 7-41

26 losses under Les Miles, 2005-2014.
10 losses to top 5 opponents.
14 losses to top 10 opponents.

4 losses in OT (2 of those in triple OT).
5 losses were in last two minutes of the game.
5 losses when leading at the end of three quarters.

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How about you do a comparative analysis to other coaches and see how Les Miles stacks up?

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championships wise? based on years at all schools? with talent on hand? you don't wanna go there. Performance wise? you don't want that either. As a matter of fact we went through all the games last year he shoulda won. google the thread. I'm not going through it for the lazy like you again.

EDIT: I'm referring throughout his tenure....games he should have won. the thread was done last year.

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This actually fuels the "he shouldnt have been down" argument. Of those 25 wins when trailing, 3 of the came when being ranked lower than the opposostion. Thats kind of the point. But, Im glad he wins them.

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I disagree. 5 times LSU was ranked lower than or equal to the opponent they beat. Four times they came back on a team who was ranked within 3 places of them; we're talking 1 vs 2, 13 vs. 14, 12 v. 14 etc. Twice, they had to come back on fellow top ten opponents who were ranked below them; we're talking 6 v 10 and 1 v 9. You really think we had no business being down to fellow top ten teams or teams ranked within 3 spots of us?

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So in your mind, if LSU is ranked ahead of another ranked SEC opponent, there's no reason we should ever trail in the fourth quarter? That 20 of 25 you mentioned would include the 2011 Bama game. Are you actually saying we had no business ever trailing that team?

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Of course it's not an absolute that a team should NEVER trail in the fourth quarter to a lower-ranked opponent. The simple point is that a comeback requires you to trail in the first place, so having a lot of comebacks is a good news/bad news situation. The good news is you don't panic and give up when you're behind. The bad news is you're behind a lot.

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championships wise? based on years at all schools? with talent on hand? you don't wanna go there

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why not? miles is better than anyone other than saban in the only regard that matters - winning.

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Performance wise? you don't want that either

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performance? as in winning?

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As a matter of fact we went through all the games last year he shoulda won

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this will never end.

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post edited for clarity.

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How about you do a comparative analysis to other coaches and see how Les Miles stacks up?



championships wise? based on years at all schools? with talent on hand? you don't wanna go there. Performance wise? you don't want that either. As a matter of fact we went through all the games last year he shoulda won. google the thread. I'm not going through it for the lazy like you again.

EDIT: I'm referring throughout his tenure....games he should have won. the thread was done last year.

Which of those 6 losses when leading after 3 quarters counts towards 23 losses?

Of 26 losses 19 were trailing after 3 quarters, 1 tied after 3 quarters (Ark 2007), and 6 were leading after 3 quarters.


Tenn and Clemson won on last play giving LSU no chance at comeback, so they should not count.

The tie in 2007 obviously counts towards the 23 as Ark took lead in 4th and then back and forth in OTs.

Out of the remaining 4 losses when leading after 3 quarters:

Bama and Ole Miss took lead fairly early in 4th quarter, so I am sure they count towards 23.

If Bama in 2005 counts as one of the 24 wins then Kentucky in 2007 should be in the 23 losses (since LSU trailed after Kentucky's first possession of OT just like Bama in 2005)

Ark in 2008 may be close as Ark took lead with under 30 seconds to play, but LSU had ball at Ark 46 with 21 seconds left (using LSU game stats as I don't remember exactly) and just trailed by one point. I think had LSU picked up some yards and made a tough FG (or made freakishly long one it did try) it would have counted as a win when trailing in 4th, so not picking up yards and then missing long field goal should still count towards the 23 losses.

If Kentucky 07 and Ark 08 both count that is 24 losses, so one must not be.

Was there possibly another win being included instead of Bama 2005 which would then make sense if Kentucky 2007 was not included in losses?

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Not enough info actually. What he failed to do was break down every game and WHY we were in those situations of being down late to start with. Plenty of those games should have never been that close. Not all but some. It goes back to the performance arguments and the ugly wins and how possibly his coaching put us in those situations to begin with. Not all games but quite a few.

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All you can do is laugh at miserable "fans" that think this way.