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100+ pitch count pitcher effort in a baseball game equates to?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:47 pm
1st post after returning from long TD exile in Tibetan Monastery atop the highest mtns, newly liberated and purified.
Here goes...
Landon Marceaux gave it his all in Game 2 of SR vs. UT but looked tired.
I know little to nothing about pitching in general but, in particular, rest/rotation req'd for full recovery.
To those in the know, what is the "equivalent" (approximate of course) effort to other sports/positions to a baseball pitcher's 100+ pitch outing--in terms of expended effort and recuperation time?
A 100+ pitch count equals?
Football - Running Back 25-30 carries in a game?
Basketball - 15-min game playing time?
Tailgating - 8-hrs, Makers Mark, and partly cloudy day
Educate me, pls.
P.S.
Here goes...
Landon Marceaux gave it his all in Game 2 of SR vs. UT but looked tired.
I know little to nothing about pitching in general but, in particular, rest/rotation req'd for full recovery.
To those in the know, what is the "equivalent" (approximate of course) effort to other sports/positions to a baseball pitcher's 100+ pitch outing--in terms of expended effort and recuperation time?
A 100+ pitch count equals?
Football - Running Back 25-30 carries in a game?
Basketball - 15-min game playing time?
Tailgating - 8-hrs, Makers Mark, and partly cloudy day
Educate me, pls.
P.S.
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Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:50 pm to Turf Taint
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Tailgating - 8-hrs, Makers Mark, and partly cloudy day
I would think closer to tailgating for a home opener in late August, makers cask strength and at least 5 games of beer pong
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:51 pm to Turf Taint
Today’s pitchers are weak; mentally & physically.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:54 pm to Turf Taint
quote:
--in terms of expended effort and recuperation time?
Really depends on the pitcher and other factors. We don't always heal the same. We don't even have the same recovery process. Some ice, some don't. Some take a day off, some long toss (light) the day after.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:56 pm to Turf Taint
Football 30 carries
Basketball full game played (not counting OT)
Basketball full game played (not counting OT)
Posted on 6/18/21 at 3:59 pm to Turf Taint
quote:
A 100+ pitch count equals?
i mean it's long, but guys go 100 pitches all the time
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:01 pm to chalmetteowl
Over 150 pitches in a weekend is equal to a RB rushing 50 times in a game. Then factor in at the end of a long season recipe for disaster
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:02 pm to Turf Taint
quote:
A 100+ pitch count equals?
100 pitches in one game doesn't even equal 100 pitches in a different game. It's nearly impossible to compare it to a non-baseball activity.
100 pitches over 9 innings is different than 100 pitches over 5 or 6. Intra-inning pitch counts, stress pitches with guys on base, the mental ups and downs of making a pitch and either not getting a call or seeing a defender make an error.
It's the physical exertion of the throwing plus mental exertion of a round of competitive golf, plus the necessity to stay ready to defend and know your assignments depending on where the ball may be hit.
You also have to feel out what is working that day and what isn't in your repertoire. What is the umps strike zone. Hopefully you have good scouting reports on the hitters strengths and weaknesses.
It's a lot.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:08 pm to TruthSpeaker225
quote:
Today’s pitchers are weak; mentally & physically.
Today's pitchers throw with more velocity, movement, spin rate, and stress on their arm than any time in human history.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:22 pm to scott8811
quote:Id say this is tougher to execute well than 100 pitches
I would think closer to tailgating for a home opener in late August, makers cask strength and at least 5 games of beer pong
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:23 pm to PP7 for heisman
quote:I don’t think they are stressing their arm anymore than Nolan Ryan did it Seaver, Gibson, etc
Today's pitchers throw with more velocity, movement, spin rate, and stress on their arm than any time in human history.
Something is just different with the way we handle arms now. We have somehow regressed there
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:25 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:26 pm to lsupride87
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I don’t think they are stressing their arm anymore than Nolan Ryan did
That's impossible to know, because one guy throwing 85 might be stressing his arm out more than a guy throwing 95.
Nolan Ryan clearly wasn't stressing his arm out too much. He was a genetic freak.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:28 pm to ProjectP2294
I’m simply saying players aren’t stressing their arms more than players of the past. That’s not the reason
The reason you see pitch counts and everything else is because their is more money involved and the players and clubs are simply protecting investments
The reason you see pitch counts and everything else is because their is more money involved and the players and clubs are simply protecting investments
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:29 pm to Turf Taint
quote:
1st post after returning from long TD exile
What was your barred handle?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:38 pm to lsupride87
quote:
The reason you see pitch counts and everything else is because their is more money involved and the players and clubs are simply protecting investments
THis is the biggest reason.
And they aren't treating it like a war of attrition cattle call anymore, like they could when there were only like 20 teams. You would have guys get career ending arm injuries all the time in spring training but no one ever knew who they were. The only names people know are the genetic freaks that outlasted them.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:49 pm to lsupride87
The low hanging fruit is modern strength & conditioning. The one major thing that has changed.
Perhaps they are building too much muscle
Perhaps they are building too much muscle
Posted on 6/18/21 at 4:51 pm to Lester Earl
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Perhaps they are building too much muscle
Unbalanced muscle too.
You build up too much in the lower half without balancing it out in the upper half and it's like trying to push a fire hydrant through a garden hose.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:17 pm to Turf Taint
Conditioning, natural physical attributes, and the grind of the season.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 5:36 pm to Turf Taint
Half of what they used to throw
Half of what Japanese pitchers throw with virtually no arm injuries (until they get to USA)
Half of what Japanese pitchers throw with virtually no arm injuries (until they get to USA)
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