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Smellslikeupdog
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100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
Max Johnson: 88/150, 58.7%, 1,069 Yd, 8 TD, 1 Int, 134.8 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 41-15

Myles Brennan: 79/131, 60.3%, 1,112 Yd, 11 TD, 3 Int, 154.7 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 9-21

Let the debate begin
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jimbeam
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
Thanks. No one have ever posted these stats on a daily basis for use in forming and stating their opinions


Smellslikeupdog
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
Feel like I haven't seen combined opponents record yet


tlsu15
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
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Combined Opponent Record: 9-21


Even worse is that 2 of the 9 total wins came against us
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Solo Cam
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
Max was great but Myles would have lit Ole Miss up too.
Also is Max getting credit for Bama record because he took snaps in that blowout?

What about A&M when he played like 2 series?

Surely it’s not that biased


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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
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Let the debate begin


No.


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saturncube21
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
It’s Max


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Smellslikeupdog
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
Yea he threw for 17 and 22 passes against Bama and A&M. I think you need to look up the word "biased" in the dictionary.


GorgeousGeorge
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
It’s still unbelievable that we couldn’t punch it in with 4 tries from the 1 yard line against Missouri. Inexcusable.


Alt26
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
The combined stats aren't the best basis of comparison. In two of the 5 games Johnson played he came in during blowouts (Alabama and Auburn). That's a whole different situation than starting a game when it is 0-0 or playing in a pressure situation. To lesser extent, you could say the same for the A&M game when Johnson came in.

IMO, the best comparison is to use the OM/Fla games for Johnson and the MSU/Mizzou/Vandy games for Brennan.


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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
not this shite again


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Gus007
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
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It’s still unbelievable that we couldn’t punch it in with 4 tries from the 1 yard line against Missouri. Inexcusable.



Didn't our steller defense stop Florida four times inside the ten?


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It’s still unbelievable that we couldn’t punch it in with 4 tries from the 1 yard line against Missouri. Inexcusable.



I went back and looked at our run game stats. 20 carries for 49 yards all game. Which included a long run of 24 for by TDP. So outside of that run we had 19 carries for 25 yards. That is really what's inexcusable.


MacReady25
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
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Max Johnson: 88/150, 58.7%, 1,069 Yd, 8 TD, 1 Int, 134.8 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 41-15

Myles Brennan: 79/131, 60.3%, 1,112 Yd, 11 TD, 3 Int, 154.7 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 9-21

Let the debate begin


Add in rushing yds (100yds) and tds (2) for Max's and his stats improve.


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TheJuicey
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
And despite our defense not being good, I have to believe they somewhat got better throughout the year. Like maybe 5 blown coverages for TDs vs 7 in the beginning of the year.


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atltiger6487
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
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100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
these stats are good, but context is needed, as always.

Another useful stat would be how the overall offense performed when each of them was QB.

Max's legs opens up more of the offense, and it would interesting to see how the entire offense did, not just each QBs passing and rushing stats.

Of course, the quality of the defense and the game status is also important (i.e., did yards come in garbage time, did we go conservative on offense due to the time and score of the game, did the opponent play softer defense, etc)

Long story short, no set of stats will truly tell the story, but they can help.
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Purple Tiger King
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
Well the sample sizes are very small, but I would say that Max's opposition was more impressive relative to Myles' opposition.

Nonetheless, as we can see from the stats you posted, Myles Brennan's passing numbers are only slightly marginally better relative to Max Johnson's stats.

Normally, I would expect a far larger gap between a five year senior and a brand new true freshmen barely out of high school making his first two SEC starts, with his first one in such a hostile environment, who, courtesy of the Covid Pandemic, barely had any reps to transition from high-school ball to the SEC, which I don't care who you are, is a major transition for anyone.

Furthermore, passing is only one single aspect of being a good QB. As there is a whole other list of aspects that good QBs must be good at, and in all of those other aspects of being a good QB, Max Johnson exceeds Myles Brennan significantly because Max can hurt teams with either his arm or his legs. While Myles, on the other hand, is only a one dimensional QB that can inflict damage only with his arm. Meanwhile, per last year's passing stat's, Myles was only slightly marginally better than Max but against weaker competition.

Moreover, Myles couldn't convert third and fourth down situations for nothing last season. As every football team today employs third-down rush packages, and when these third-down rush packages were deployed against LSU last year, Myles either threw the ball away, got sacked, or was forced outside the pocket where he rarely completes a pass.

While Max on the other hand, was much better at escaping the pass rush and completing passes under those situations. He also escaped the pass rush on many occasions by running for first downs.

Not to mention that Max was also far better relative to Myles at converting quarterback sneaks for first downs.

In fact, one thing sticks in my craw that I just can't get out of my mind. When Myles had a first and goal to goal from the one yard line with the game on the line against a very depleted Missouri team, yet Myles couldn't lead LSU to score the go ahead touchdown.

Meanwhile, had Max Johnson been the QB in the game instead, LSU would have scored on first down and won the game.

I mean it's very obvious given the extremely tiny gap in passing stats between Myles and Max last year and in which is only one single aspect of being a good QB, that Max will be the better starter for LSU.

Not to mention, that most young QBs make their biggest jumps in improvements from year one to year two because the game is starting to slow down for them and their heads aren't always constantly spinning.

In fact, I bet Max is a far better passer and far better overall QB today than he was against Florida and Ole Miss last season.


kengel2
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
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I went back and looked at our run game stats. 20 carries for 49 yards all game. Which included a long run of 24 for by TDP. So outside of that run we had 19 carries for 25 yards. That is really what's inexcusable.



And TDP got 2 of those last 4 downs to get 1 yard.

Im not bashing TDP, but the people bashing Brennan for not scoring from the 1 are acting like he had the ball for 20 downs and couldnt score.


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Alt26
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re: 100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
If I were making the choice I would go with Johnson. The reasons are because, while not a "burner", he is mobile enough to impact a game whereas Brennan isn't, at all. Also, I think Johnson showed the ability to make more, different, throws than Brennan. No question Brennan has the stronger arm. But it is a long delivery with a low throwing point and sometimes questionable touch. Johnson probably can't deliver the lasers that Brennan can throw...but I don't know if Brennan could deliver some to the great touch throws Johnson made. Most of all though, I was impressed that as a true freshman making his first starts Johnson looked very comfortable in the pocket and rarely, if ever, seemed to get rattled by the situation. While not always that case, there were times where the traffic around him seemed to bother Brennan.

That said....

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In fact, one thing sticks in my craw that I just can't get out of my mind. When Myles had a first and goal to goal from the one yard line with the game on the line against a very depleted Missouri team, yet Myles couldn't lead LSU to score the go ahead touchdown.

Meanwhile, had Max Johnson been the QB in the game instead, LSU would have scored on first down and won the game.


I went back and watched those 4 plays. The first two were runs on which the OL got destroyed. (side note: I absolutely fricking hate snapping the ball back 3 yards to hand to a RB going a bit sideways, from a dead stop, to try to get one yard up the middle. GO UNDER CENTER there!)

On 3rd down the WR in the flat was open. The defender made a good play to read it and deflect the pass. Now, you could say Brennan should have thrown the ball with touch over the defender. But he was trying to get the ball out quick. On 4th down it was a roll out for Marshall that was well defended. MAYBE Johnson (or a healthy Brennan) finds a way to punch it in there, but the play calling didn't help...plus give Mizzou credit.


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