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re: Why Nick Saban RBS are failing in NFL-send LF copy of article
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 9/27/13 at 11:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
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the planet where they root for LSU so they surprisingly look for reasons to promote LSU, even if it is biased. I mean if you are Alabama you point to where your guys where drafted. If you are LSU, you point to the fact your guy Ridley has done well. What's the problem with that?
It's hard to sit here and promote something that isn't true.
It's actually not even remotely close.
The argument that they were overused is silly too. They may not just be good, but they weren't overused. shite all 3 of them split carries for most of their career, and had 1 year as the feature back.
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Where they were drafted is a great selling point,
It is a great selling point. It's all that really matters, in the end. Can you get me to the NFL? Can you make me a high pick? = More money
well that and 3 National titles in 4 years.
LSU doesn't have a leg to stand on here, and this article is absolutely ridiculous.
This post was edited on 9/27/13 at 11:38 pm
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Posted on 9/28/13 at 2:38 am to Lester Earl
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"hey kid, do you want to play at ALA and be a 1st round pick like Eddie Lacy or Mark Ingram? Do you want a chance at the Heisman like Mark Ingram?
"or do you want to share the ball with 4 other backs, get drafted in the 7th round to become the Seahawks backup Fullback?"
You must be dealing with kids who are pretty easily fooled. While I', at it, you must be pretty easily fooled.
Do you honestly think that the pro's give a damn about where a player went to school when deciding if they should go in the first or the third? Those guys go for measurables and other attributes that have nothing to do with their head coaches in college.
Keep on buying into your own BS though, you must seem convincing to yourself.
Posted on 9/28/13 at 5:03 am to Icansee4miles
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So a Ridley or Addai end up having better pro careers than the midget's backs,
Addai was Satan's? Nes pas?
Posted on 9/28/13 at 7:40 am to jondavid11
I don't disagree with the article but how many championship rings does Lacy, Ingram, and Richadson have between them?
Posted on 9/28/13 at 9:07 am to Dick Macho
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Do you honestly think that the pro's give a damn about where a player went to school when deciding if they should go in the first or the third?
you're so stupid you cant even read
Im talking about selling the recruits with that info. Not the pro teams
Posted on 10/11/13 at 1:24 pm to rednecktgr
lol you no it rednecktgr
Posted on 10/11/13 at 1:32 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
I hope no one sends him an article about all of lsu late round picks at RB doing absolutely nothing in the nfl
Posted on 10/11/13 at 1:33 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
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With his track record of sending players to the draft during his tenure at Alabama, there seems little doubt about Nick Saban’s ability to produce and prepare players for the NFL. But the trade of [Trent] Richardson certainly boils up some doubts about Crimson Tide running backs of recent vintage. In the past three seasons, Alabama has had two first-rounders (Richardson and former Heisman Trophy winner Mark Ingram) and a second-round pick (Eddie Lacy). There are legitimate questions about New Orleans’ choice of Ingram, who has only 10 starts in two-plus seasons and has averaged just 3.8 yards, in 2011. Lacy hasn’t gotten off to the fastest start in Green Bay and is dealing with a concussion. And now Richardson has been traded despite having been the third overall pick in 2012… [Glen] Coffee retired after one season in San Francisco….
“One thing we’ve got to remember is that (Saban) always has great offensive lines, and that helps his backs,” said one area scout. “And, truth be told, with the way Nick uses his backs, he probably rubs some tread off the tires. But, hey, no excuses, we’ve got to do a better job of (evaluating) these guys.”
Why doesnt anyone want to say the obvious.
$abun is a slave driver. He forces these guys to perform or be culled/cut. When they get to NFL and no one is there to force them to perform (BECAUSE YOU CANT DO THAT IN THE NFL).....they underperform or fail.
Thats why $abun himself cant cut it in the pros. You cant force a pro player like you can a college kid.
Posted on 10/11/13 at 1:46 pm to S
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ichardson is a good player who was traded because his former team is tanking
The low ypc has many people asking questions about Richardson.
It's too early to start calling him a bust, but the consensus view on him is different than it was a year ago...and it's getting worse.
It wouldn't shock me at all to see Richardson viewed as a disappointment in a year or two.
Posted on 10/11/13 at 1:55 pm to moneyg
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The low ypc has many people asking questions about Richardson.
It's too early to start calling him a bust, but the consensus view on him is different than it was a year ago...and it's getting worse.
It wouldn't shock me at all to see Richardson viewed as a disappointment in a year or two.
RB position is overvalued in today's NFL.
TR is absolutely a bust at the moment. He would've had to have had a HOF type of start to his career to justify where he was drafted. He was never an exceptional player, even in college. He is a physical specimen running behind a beast OL at Bama, that can hash out an above-average NFL career if things go right for him. But he's not a HOF talent and never was. HOF talents florish wherever they go, they don't need to be surrounded by the right people.
Posted on 10/11/13 at 10:16 pm to Goldrush25
Their group they have now will be very good!! But the group we have coming will be just as good or better! LSU and bama will have easily the best 6 to 8 backs in the nation in a couple years!!
Posted on 10/11/13 at 10:23 pm to BayouBengal99
It's funny to see these LSU vs Bama NFL rb debates when Matt Forte is better than all of them hands down. I just find it funny to see a rb from Tulane, of all places, enjoy more success than these more high profile backs.
Posted on 10/11/13 at 10:39 pm to Lester Earl
You not gonna get paid al that money if you don't pan out? Yes you have gauranteed money but you want to make a career out of it not get 8 million and done? I would much prefer being Ridley or Addie and No Addie was not just Sabans..... He played with miles too and was drafted with miles! Someone has to give him carries and coach him on the back end of a career too? I just love it when someone says he was sabans, or miles won with sabans recruits..... It's just plain dumb to say and think! I also think Les has been recruiting much better on the OL as of late there for we will see those guys going in the first and second round! If I had a son playing D1 football I would Def want him playing for Les!!!! and I might soon, he just turned 14 and is over 6' and long as HELL, anyway I taught him how to use those long arms and hands instead of just playing a man staight up and he absolutely killed those OL trying to block him! In that last game he had 3 sacks 9 tackles BTL, forced a high pass that was picked and made 14 solo tackels! Also caught a TD pass at TE. He dominated them boys once he used his head and his body! That's what I stress to him is playing with awareness and smarts first and when that fails use your strength and quickness! He may turn into something he may not, I know I'm having a blast watching rightnow though! I just can't believe the coaches never showed him those things??
Posted on 10/11/13 at 11:50 pm to BayouBengal99
Congrats on your son's success! As a former Coach, I see more and more fundamentals being ignored, so kudos to you for stressing the mental side. Also, if I can offer some advice, make sure he's having fun. Sounds like you do, but you'd be surprised how many kids play just to please others. Godspeed to you and your boy!
Posted on 10/12/13 at 4:12 am to Lester Earl
quote:Sad but true.
in the end. Can you get me to the NFL? Can you make me a high pick? = More money
Posted on 10/12/13 at 6:07 am to moneyg
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It wouldn't shock me at all to see Richardson viewed as a disappointment in a year or two.
Richardson has been a disappointment to me back to last year. People say "oh but he had 1300 total yards and 12 TD" Look between those stats and you notice that he took a high arse volume to get to that level. 950 yards at 3.6 ypc. For comparison AP had his worse avg of his career (4.2) his last games before he broke out overseas for 140.
People called Bush a bust his first year when he had 1300 total yards and 8 TDs the only difference is Bush wasn't a goaline back and he certainly wasn't an every down back. Trent is an excellent receiver out the backfield and good for goal to go TDs which makes him a better backup or 3rd down goaline back. He is not a starter worthy back at the moment. Sure he could change his game around like Reggie did minus the injuries but right now, everybody overrated his arse.
Posted on 10/12/13 at 7:20 am to Ironhead985
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Sad but true.
Yeah but what if you crap out after 3 years? Nobody is going to want to shell out more than 1.2 mill for Ingram even if he makes a practice squad once his contract is up. Only the top of the top picks sven make 20 mill for a 4 year deal.
2011: Mark Ingram #28 - signed a 4 year 7.41 mill contract (fully guaranteed) with a 3.89 signing bonus
2012: Trent Richardson #3 - 4 year 20.48 mill contract (fully guaranteed) with 13.34 mill bonus
2012: David Wilson #32 - 4 year 6.68 mill contract (5.4 guaranteed) and a 3.30 mill bonus
2013: Giovanni Bernard #37 - 4 year 5.25 mill contract with 2.2 mill bonus
Where you are signed in a round usually dictates how much you get and if being signed the first of your position also plays a part. Just from the last 3 drafts, you see there is a 13 mill difference from 3rd and 28th.
Ok the 2nd-7th backs taken in 2nd, 3rd, 4th rds of 2013
Le'Veon Bell #48 - 4 year 4.37 mill contract 1.37 mill bonus
Montee Ball #58 -
Eddie Lacy #61 - 4 year 3.39 mill contract 847k bonus
Christine Michael #62 - 4 year 3.37 mill contract 834k bonus
Knile Davis #96 - 4 year 2.75 mill contract 516k bonus
Jonathan Franklin #125 - 4 year 2.58 mill contract 405k bonus
There is no major difference between mid first and early second rd and from mid second to late fourth is a difference of just 2 mill.
They could come to LSU and leave with tread on their tires and get a nice 2.5 mill 4th round deal and play for the 2nd deal.
Ridley's going to be a nice feature back contract once his contract in NE is up and will probably be looking at 5 year 20 mill for a team with scrubs.
Posted on 10/12/13 at 1:22 pm to Cincinnati Bowtie
Thanks bowtie! It was pretty funny to watch those guys try to run to his side. He just terrorized that left side! And he actually came off the field smiling at me and said they can't stop me lol! He's pretty good but has no idea how good he really can be! The game bf that I just saw him playing against a big ole boy but not trying to get off and be aggressive and he still held his own but was pushed around a good bit so I showed him how to get those hands off of him and the next game they couldn't block him at all! They beat that team 35-7, the game bf they lost 14-7. I mean the other team was better but he made that whole side go away and it made a huge diff!! We also had another big kid playing inside and those two together just was too much and they gave up. This team was very good too but when you take away the whole middle and left side completely, no matter how you try to block it, it makes for a long game! I will be showing him more and sending him to camps this summer! He's ready!
Posted on 10/13/13 at 3:02 pm to BillyBobBlitzkrieg
Saban overuses his running backs. They are worn out by the time they get to the NFL.
Eddie Lacy may be an exception.
Eddie Lacy may be an exception.
Posted on 10/13/13 at 4:55 pm to jondavid11
Looks like Lacy has been doin pretty decent. We have Ridley but besides him..where are all the former LSU backs that played under Miles? Just think about that for a sec. Personally, I think that Michael Ford still has something to prove and can be a decent backup. And I'd be drinking way too much Kool-Aid to think that Trent still isn't a bad arse. I will say this though..if J.Hill will have the best NFL career of any of them
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