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re: USC Really Pouring It On Burch
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:15 am to Carolina_Girl
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:15 am to Carolina_Girl
lol we had four players but two isn't bad considering how irrelevant South Carolina is in football.
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Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:16 am to Carolina_Girl
Muschamp is an absolute defensive guru. I like the Pelini hire, but I still feel like if Aranda had stayed one more year (yeah I know, wasn’t happening), we’d have a chance for a grand slam DC hire in Muschamp.
With that said, some recruits (Burch is one) are special “can’t miss” athletes who would be in the NFL straight out of high school if it was allowed. Leonard Fournette comes to mind in that category, as does Arik Gilbert to a slightly lesser degree. The fact that we have a chance (however slight) to land two of these athletes in the same class is mind-blowing.
With that said, some recruits (Burch is one) are special “can’t miss” athletes who would be in the NFL straight out of high school if it was allowed. Leonard Fournette comes to mind in that category, as does Arik Gilbert to a slightly lesser degree. The fact that we have a chance (however slight) to land two of these athletes in the same class is mind-blowing.
This post was edited on 2/3/20 at 11:22 am
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:18 am to Carolina_Girl
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I mean we had 2 players on the team that won the Super Bowl last night that Muschamp coached at Carolina and another on San Fran in Deebo who was also coached by Muschamp. We put players in the NFL. Muschamp may suck as a HC but he does have an impressive track record of still getting his guys into the NFL.
Sure. Players can get to the NFL from anywhere. I'm just saying there are scenarios where their draft stock can be altered based on where they go to school.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:20 am to whitefoot
Well you def have a valid point there. Unfortunate evidence of the South Carolina curse is that our commits end up falling in the recruiting rankings once they announce. Happens like clockwork. And we all know damn well that wouldn't happen if they chose y'all, Bama, Georgia, etc. Gotta earn the respect before we're given the respect. Just how it is.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:26 am to whitefoot
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Sure. Players can get to the NFL from anywhere. I'm just saying there are scenarios where their draft stock can be altered based on where they go to school
Yeah but you are acting like LSU automatically means he'll get good coaching and end up in the NFL.
What about former 5* Ed Paris? You think Raymond just forgot how to coach him?
That's just one example but I can name other highly recruited LSU players that didn't pan out.
I love LSU and think they would do a great job developing Burch but don't act like coming to LSU is a guarantee that he's great and going to USCe is a guarantee that he doesn't develop.
Hell USCe will have a DT get drafted in the 1st round THIS year in Kinlaw.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:33 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 8:08 am
Posted on 2/3/20 at 11:36 am to lsutiger2010
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You're not wrong, but my going by hard numbers, he has a higher percentage of ending up in the NFL at LSU than USCe. That's not really debatable.
I'd say your numbers are skewed because of the caliber of player that LSU gets on average as opposed to USCe.
That is to say of course LSU turns out a larger number of NFL players because we get a larger number of players that have NFL talent. And that's not really debatable.
This post was edited on 2/3/20 at 11:37 am
Posted on 2/3/20 at 12:37 pm to lsutiger2010
quote:Are any recent defensive lineman from LSU are thriving in the NFL right now, besides Danielle Hunter?
You're not wrong, but my going by hard numbers, he has a higher percentage of ending up in the NFL at LSU than USCe. That's not really debatable.
Michael Brockers - Quality PT
Key - Some PT
Godchaux - Some PT
Keke Mingo - Minimal PT
Ego Ferguson - No longer active
Lavar Edwards - No longer active
Sam Montgomery - No longer active
Bennie Logan - No longer active
Drake Nevis - No longer active
SC at least has Clowney & Ingram
Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:00 pm to CaptainPanic
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 8:08 am
Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:06 pm to lsutiger2010
quote:You can make that assumption, sure, but Key, Mingo, Montgomery, Logan & Nevis were all beasts at LSU and didn't really pan out at the next level.
There are multiple guys on the d-line now that will be solid NFL guys
Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:32 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Yeah but you are acting like LSU automatically means he'll get good coaching and end up in the NFL.
No I'm not. I'm saying picking the right situation, or wrong situation, can impact a player's draft stock.
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What about former 5* Ed Paris?
He tore his knee up, didn't he? Then got stuck behind more talented underclassmen. Maybe he was a victim to our defensive scheme changes. He had 3 different DCs in his first 3 years, if I'm not mistaken.
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That's just one example but I can name other highly recruited LSU players that didn't pan out.
You can find guys at every school that don't pan out. There are a million variables at play. That's why it's important for recruits to control what they can control, staring with where they go. If Burch goes to SC, there's a high likelihood he'll have 2 different coaching staffs in his time there. That's not usually ideal for player development.
If he comes to LSU, he'll have the opportunity to play early if he earns it and he'll have other quality players around him so he won't have the pressure to immediately save the program.
Last thing, I know NFL scouting staffs will find players from anywhere, but players from the big football programs typically tend to get over drafted.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:47 pm to whitefoot
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No I'm not. I'm saying picking the right situation, or wrong situation, can impact a player's draft stock.
You are implying that LSU is the obvious choice of the 2 schools if he wants to get to the NFL but I am not sure that is 100% true. We haven't sent many DL to the NFL recently. Our only 2 that contribute regularly for their team are Hunter and Brockers. USCe has Clowney and Ingram and will have Kinlaw after this current draft.
I don't think he hurts his NFL chances by going to USCe but I do hope he picks LSU.
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He tore his knee up, didn't he?
He tore up his knee as a redshirt senior so that doesn't explain his absence from play. His issue was that he wasn't as fluid in the hips as many believed he was during his recruitment.
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You can find guys at every school that don't pan out.
Which proves my point that picking LSU over USCe isn't the guarantee to success like you are implying. If it turns out he's just a decent player and not the stud many think he is, he'd be better off staying home cuz he'd have less competition to play.
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If Burch goes to SC, there's a high likelihood he'll have 2 different coaching staffs in his time there. That's not usually ideal for player development.
This is finally a legitimate argument. Maybe you were implying this the whole time but it appeared from reading your posts that the only thought process was "LSU=Good, USCe=Bad".
To add to why LSU would be a good fit for him: we don't have many protoype 4-3 DEs on the roster so he wouldn't have as much competition for playing time as many would assume he'd have at a school like LSU.
In the end, I hope he's a Tiger but won't blame him if he chooses to stay home.
This post was edited on 2/3/20 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:53 pm to lsutiger2010
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True but I think this has to do with the drop off in recruiting the trenches that LSU saw at the end of Miles' tenure. There are multiple guys on the d-line now that will be solid NFL guys
I'd say you are 100% correct. I think RL will be a dependable guy for 10 years in the NFL and Chaisson has the ability to be elite if he gets on the right team.
Then look at Shelvin next year, Apu the year after, plus the Freshman coming in and LSU looks like they are going to turn out some legit NFL guys on the DL.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 1:54 pm to CaptainPanic
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You can make that assumption, sure, but Key, Mingo, Montgomery, Logan & Nevis were all beasts at LSU and didn't really pan out at the next level.
This is unfortunately true as well
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:00 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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This is finally a legitimate argument. Maybe you were implying this the whole time but it appeared from reading your posts that the only thought process was "LSU=Good, USCe=Bad".
From MY posts? Up until this last one, I think I've been speaking more in generalities than specifically the Burch recruitment.
Here's my initial post on the topic. LINK
My only mention of SC was to say Burch's situation is different from Clowney and I never even mentioned LSU at all.
I just think it's really dumb to suggest where a player goes can't affect his draft stock.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:01 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Burch plays a rotational position. If he is of NFL caliber, he will make it at LSU or USCe.
At LSU he will compete in meaningful games on national TV often, which will enhance his marketability. Winning championships is also a lot more fun than fighting for 5th place in the division.
At LSU he will compete in meaningful games on national TV often, which will enhance his marketability. Winning championships is also a lot more fun than fighting for 5th place in the division.
Posted on 2/3/20 at 2:49 pm to CaptainPanic
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Are any recent defensive lineman from LSU are thriving in the NFL right now, besides
Danielle Hunter active 2015- present 5 yrs
Michael Brockers - Quality PT active 2012-present 8 yrs
Arden Key - Some PT active 2018- present 2 yrs
Godchaux - Some PT active 2017-present 3 yrs
Keke Mingo - Minimal PT active 2013-present 7 yrs
Ego Ferguson - No longer active 2014-2015 2 yrs
Lavar Edwards - No longer active 2013-2017 5 yrs
Sam Montgomery - No longer active 2013-2015 3 yrs of signed, waived, practice squad , never played a game in the NFL
Bennie Logan - No longer active 2013-2018 6 yr career
Drake Nevis - No longer active 2011-2013 4 yrs
other notable DL Tigers who played awhile in the League
Al Woods 2010-present 10 yrs
Kyle Williams 2006-2018 13 yrs 6x ProBowl
Ricky Jean-Francois 2009 - 2018 10 yrs
Tyson Jackson 2009-2016 8 yr career
Glenn Dorsey 2008-2016 9 yr career
Marcus Spears 2005-2013 9 yrs
SC at least has Clowney 2014 - present, 6 yrs
Ingram 2012 - present, 8 yrs
just for the hell of it, I added several other names and their NFL longevity
Kyle Williams gets the Iron Man award
. Can't imagine what his body and knees will feel like when he's 45 yrs old Posted on 2/3/20 at 4:06 pm to Capo
They are desperate , like Alabama's governor calling asking Julio to attend Bama. We were the same way with Fournette!
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