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Topic: Justin Jefferson as a 2 star recruit
Posted on 3/25/21 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/25/21 at 9:56 am
Obviously, we all know how he worked out, but did anyone here see him play in high school? Was the 2 star warranted?
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Posted on 3/25/21 at 9:58 am to lsudat10
I've always heard it was more so them thinking he wouldn't qualify academically more than his play on the field.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:00 am to lsudat10
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did anyone here see him play in high school?
Yep. Knew he'd be a monster.
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Was the 2 star warranted?
Should have had 4 of them shits
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:01 am to lsudat10
I didn’t see him play in person, but he was on this boards radar since his freshman or sophomore year and people said he was likely the best of all the Jeffersons.
I watched his junior film and could see he was a great route runner, with smooth and effortless body control.
People say his rating was due to the fact that he might not be eligible for college, but I don’t know. I’ve seen plenty of JUCO bound players with four stars. I don’t get it.
I watched his junior film and could see he was a great route runner, with smooth and effortless body control.
People say his rating was due to the fact that he might not be eligible for college, but I don’t know. I’ve seen plenty of JUCO bound players with four stars. I don’t get it.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:03 am to lsudat10
2star only due to grades
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:04 am to tFearIsReal
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People say his rating was due to the fact that he might not be eligible for college, but I don’t know. I’ve seen plenty of JUCO bound players with four stars. I don’t get it.
This is the excuse I don't get either.
We have seen every bit of a grades risk as him (if not far worse) be rated 4 stars. So a 2 star still seems wild for his type of talent. Granted I never watched his film.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:05 am to lsudat10
247 had him as a 3* and I've heard Barton Simmons talk about it, and he said that they would've spent more time evaluating him (and potentially bumped him up) had he had better academics.
The explanation (which i dont necessarily agree with, so don't kill the messenger) was this: Stars are based on NFL Draft potential. So if an "outside" characteristic decreases the likelihood of a guy making it to the NFL in any way (e.g. poor academics forcing him to a JUCO, where he doesn't develop as well as he would at a P5 school), they will lower his ranking. Also, because poor academics can derail a career in that way, and because they have a ton of kids to look at and limited time, they usually don't spend as much time evaluating guys who are unlikely to qualify.
The explanation (which i dont necessarily agree with, so don't kill the messenger) was this: Stars are based on NFL Draft potential. So if an "outside" characteristic decreases the likelihood of a guy making it to the NFL in any way (e.g. poor academics forcing him to a JUCO, where he doesn't develop as well as he would at a P5 school), they will lower his ranking. Also, because poor academics can derail a career in that way, and because they have a ton of kids to look at and limited time, they usually don't spend as much time evaluating guys who are unlikely to qualify.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:41 am to lsudat10
I believe, in addition to the grades issues, he didn't camp much and had very low visibility with scouts/recruiters.
shite happens.
shite happens.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:42 am to tFearIsReal
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People say his rating was due to the fact that he might not be eligible for college, but I don’t know. I’ve seen plenty of JUCO bound players with four stars. I don’t get it.
Yeah, I never got this reasoning either. That has nothing to do with how good he is on the field. Coupled with the fact that he had two brothers that were multi year starts in the SEC. Why wouldn't get get a proper eval?
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:49 am to lsudat10
Guilty......
I was not impressed with the offer. I was wrong
I was not impressed with the offer. I was wrong
Posted on 3/25/21 at 10:50 am to lsudat10
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Obviously, we all know how he worked out, but did anyone here see him play in high school?
Not here but it's my understanding he was hurt his senior year and didn't play. He also did not attend any camps so he flew under the radar.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 11:02 am to rumination
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This is the excuse I don't get either.
We have seen every bit of a grades risk as him (if not far worse) be rated 4 stars. So a 2 star still seems wild for his type of talent. Granted I never watched his film.
That was just a made-up bullshite excuse by the paid subscription recruiting services.
It is NOT their job to predict whether or not a HS football player will qualify. And they are not worth a fake dime if they rate a player's football ability based on their bullshite prediction.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 11:08 am to Tiger Ree
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It is NOT their job to predict whether or not a HS football player will qualify.
I mean.... their job is whatever they say it is. They are literally the ones who decide the criteria for rankings lol. If you think they suck, don't consume the content.
Justin Jefferson was hurt his senior year, didn't camp much, and was a grades risk. 247 had him as a 3*. That's not outrageous at all given that they literally evaluate *thousands* of kids. They can't do a perfectly thorough evaluation on *every* kid--they have to choose how to allocate their time *somehow*.
If they do such a bad job like you say, why don't you just start your own recruiting service and do better? Should be easy.
This post was edited on 3/25/21 at 11:13 am
Posted on 3/25/21 at 11:31 am to dstone12
Almost everyone on this board thought he was a preferred walk-on.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 11:39 am to lsudat10
I see Grades as the most common answer
It’s gotta because there is no other reasonable explanation for him being a 2 star.
He was at a big school. He had exposure. He camped. He had prototypical size and speed. He was productive in high school.
That almost all you have to do to be a 3 star.
It’s gotta because there is no other reasonable explanation for him being a 2 star.
He was at a big school. He had exposure. He camped. He had prototypical size and speed. He was productive in high school.
That almost all you have to do to be a 3 star.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:03 pm to lsudat10
My god y’all love beating this drum to no avail
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:05 pm to LifeAquatic
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Justin Jefferson was hurt his senior year, didn't camp much, and was a grades risk. 247 had him as a 3*. That's not outrageous at all given that they literally evaluate *thousands* of kids. They can't do a perfectly thorough evaluation on *every* kid--they have to choose how to allocate their time *somehow*.
that's the more reasonable explanation. Mainly just slipped through the cracks due to grades and just got overlooked and not evaluated somehow. Like has been said, many players with much worse academics still get graded as 4 and 5 star recruits. Just a big miss by the recruiting services. It happens.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:35 pm to lsudat10
I saw him. He didn’t look like a 5* but he didn’t look like a 2* either. To me he looking like a high 3*
I remember thinking he looked slow but was pulling away from everyone. He has deceptive strider speed.
I also didn’t think his agility would translate. Boy was I wrong.
I do remember watching some of his camp videos at LSU and thinking “that dude is making 4* corners look like shite and he’s a 2*”
Like was was making motherfrickers run in the wrong direction.
I remember thinking he looked slow but was pulling away from everyone. He has deceptive strider speed.
I also didn’t think his agility would translate. Boy was I wrong.
I do remember watching some of his camp videos at LSU and thinking “that dude is making 4* corners look like shite and he’s a 2*”
Like was was making motherfrickers run in the wrong direction.
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:38 pm to LifeAquatic
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I mean.... their job is whatever they say it is.
Damn dude, you are only wasting $10 a month per service you subscribe to. Don't get so worked up over facts that you can't control
Posted on 3/25/21 at 12:45 pm to SammyTiger
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I see Grades as the most common answer
It’s gotta because there is no other reasonable explanation for him being a 2 star.
He was at a big school. He had exposure. He camped. He had prototypical size and speed. He was productive in high school.
That almost all you have to do to be a 3 star.
He **WAS** a 3-star on 247. That's the service I was talking about. Barton worked for 247; barton was the one who said grades were a big reason why they didn't dig deeper into his eval. This is the absolute dumbest gripe. They can't spend unlimited time on *every* player. Spending a little less time on a kid who was a grade risk is totally reasonable lol
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