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re: The real reason LSU is on a slide.

Posted on 1/2/10 at 6:40 am to
Posted by Good Times
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 6:40 am to
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Jai Eugene, Al Woods, Keiland Williams


Very highly rated recruits

Not so much as players

Previously mentioned holes in OL misses

Biggest of all was RP. We also could not sign a quality backup when he signed, thus leaving a hole so big that everything else is magnified. Look how Oklahoma performed w/o Bradford, even with a quality replacement.
Posted by cheeser
downtown Fishville
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 7:17 am to
maybe you should include someone who can make better than average play calls. add in a designated spiker to allow LM to concentrate on important issues..another 2 years of LM, GC, & JJ should pretty well resolve the problem. it may seem a little longer to some of us though
Posted by TenTex
Member since Jan 2008
15949 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 7:45 am to
I get it. But I don't get why Shep does not get more playing time.
Posted by SOL
Garland, TX
Member since Jan 2004
2950 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 8:03 am to
By using that logic, why don't we just let the other 30 to 40 guys go that never see the field.

We can save a lot of money!

Nobody mentioned Jarvis Jones or McCoy.
Those guys do start for someone else and probably would for us. Thomas, Jones and McCoy would have made a difference and the truth is, 3 or 4 of the other guys on the list would too.

You have to be nuts saying losing 18 to 20 players doesn't hurt.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 9:17 am to
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You have to be nuts saying losing 18 to 20 players doesn't hurt.


Texas lost 9 in one class?

Posted by DaLSUTigers
Texas
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 11:47 am to
What has hurt is losing the D&O linemen….
Posted by drjeff17
lake charles, la.
Member since Aug 2008
1114 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 12:38 pm to
We recruited sheppard, the #1 dual threat qb in last years class to play qb. Why. if we don't even give him a chance. I looked at his tapes. He can throw the ball and we all know about his legs. He's not even in the discussion re: qb next yr. Poor coaching or a wasted recruit. The kid is smart and has the attitude. Is he at least as good as RP. I for one think he's smarter and more talented.
Posted by drjeff17
lake charles, la.
Member since Aug 2008
1114 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 12:40 pm to
We recruited sheppard, the #1 dual threat qb in last years class to play qb. Why. if we don't even give him a chance. I looked at his tapes. He can throw the ball and we all know about his legs. He's not even in the discussion re: qb next yr. Poor coaching or a wasted recruit. The kid is smart and has the attitude. Is he at least as good as RP. I for one think he's smarter and more talented.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 12:46 pm to
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Hitt, Barksdale, Blackman, and Hagans have all been moved to OL to compensate


Hitt and Blackwell would've never seen the field on defense...Who knows about Barksdale, but I think many thought he was a better prospect on the o-line right out of high school.

as far as signed players not being on a roster, get used to it, teams are focusing on signing the max every year and will continue to move guys on that they don't think will make an impact.
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 1:18 pm to
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What has hurt is losing the D&O linemen….



Of the 9 players not on the roster at UT, 3 were from the OL.

FYI
Posted by LSUDad
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 1:20 pm to
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Who knows about Barksdale, but I think many thought he was a better prospect on the o-line right out of high school.


The first tape I saw on him, I said OL......people thought I was crazy. Crazy I am, but I know a kid that can and will play OL on Sundays.

Oh, he looked to have one of his better games yesterday. If he doesn't take a step back, he has a good shot in the draft next year.


quote:

as far as signed players not being on a roster,


This is every school every year.....College Football is Equal Opportunity. What you do with it, is your choice.
This post was edited on 1/2/10 at 1:25 pm
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 2:12 pm to
Perilloux is the main problem.

WIthout an upper class QB, Lee and Jefferson have struggled.

I remember when Jefferson was a 4 star recruit and Don (Dandy) wrote that he would be able to play his junior year.

Don, and we all, thought Perilloux would have the reins until this spring.

Murphy is a bit of a puzzle, looks great in practice and looks weak in real games.

We shall see if he can command playing time based on more than being a senior.

Yes we are praying that one of the TWO three star redshirt QBs turn out to be the real deal.



Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 3:42 pm to
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Of course, Perrilloux was in that class and we all THOUGHT he would be a key pickup.

Arguably without RP the Tigers do Not win the '07 NC. So yeah, I'd still say he was a key pickup. Hurt the program like hell for him to be irresponsible and cause the dismissal but he helped the team win a title.
Posted by SloMeaux
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 5:07 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/2/10 at 5:30 pm
Posted by SloMeaux
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 1/2/10 at 5:26 pm to
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OT Phil Loadholt - never made it to campus due to grades
OT Zhamal Thomas - kicked off for behavior
OT Mark Snyder - career ending injury
quote:

there are four lineman in that class. They might not have developed but we were horrible there this especially at guard so signing guys and not having them grow into being a player is a big thing.



Hitt was a contingency plan.






OG Matt Allen - transfered due to lack of playing time (I do think we miss him)
OG Steven Singleton - transferred (I'm not sure why)


This had a big impact, also because we never gave Barksdale the time to develop into a DL vs. being pigeon-holed into playing OL. Hitt playing OL is also indicative of having no one else to play. It makes you realize how good Big Herm actually was.
This post was edited on 1/2/10 at 5:31 pm
Posted by Marlin2114
Member since Dec 2009
125 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 5:38 pm to
Good info on Texas starters. I bet a majority of teams have this issue (there is always attrition of some sort). When you don't have it, guess what happens? You are backed into a signing class like Miles first year -- 85 schollie limit and most of the guys we sign as well as just about any Top 20 program all expect to really play early and often. This leads to a couple aggravated players every year. Rarely do guys transfer due to lack of playing time and really pan out anywhere else. Unless you are sitting behind a bonafide 1st round pick at a given school, then transferring to another school may increase your playing time a little but long term (NFL) it won't happen.

We are a productive QB away from beating anyone on our schedule. Jefferson just doens't seem to be able to get it done. Hopefully when we tee it up in September against the Tar Heels we will see some major improvement (this really was his 1st true year under center so I'm still hopeful).

Recruiting is an inexact science. So, pionting out failures can be done in any class for any school. Go check out USC and look at the guys who really contribute
Posted by augustbengal
shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
1317 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 6:09 pm to
On Jefferson not being able to get it done. This will sound strange, but it's like in the way he presents himself - he's so tight and tense. Got to affect the way he plays and the lack of confidence the players feel surrounding him. It's like his whole aura is off (and I don't believe in that stuff, but there's no other way to put it.) He's just not relaxed and confident.

I don't know what waits in the wings, but I hope we're keeping tabs on some good upcoming quarterbacks. They say defense wins championships, but you really need a competent QB. Losing RP hurt.

Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
24737 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 7:47 pm to
Roughly half a recruiting class either does not contribute during their time or they leave through attrition.

The numbers listed are completely average. Also, it is totally necessary to have people leave the program.

/thread.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452302 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 8:36 pm to
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because we never gave Barksdale the time to develop into a DL vs. being pigeon-holed into playing OL.

he was switched to OL when most/all of these guys were on the roster. attrition had nothing to do with it

and ONE spot is affected (possibly) by attrition: LG. that's it

quote:

Hitt playing OL is also indicative of having no one else to play.

like barksdale, he was moved in 2007 when jones/mccoy were on the team. attrition had nothing to do with it
Posted by The Governor
Member since Jan 2008
26 posts
Posted on 1/2/10 at 10:49 pm to
McCoy transferred to Texas Southern. I saw him play against ULM. He moved like he had his shoelaces tied together. Rickey Dixon was also on the team. Wasn't even their best receiver. This on a 1-AA school. ULM won 58-0.
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