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Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:18 pm to SoloTiger
I don’t disagree with the premise of your post, I just don’t think misnomer is used correctly.
Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:20 pm to BayouRat15
3 in the top ~200
2 other 3*
Will be huge if Kardell fully recovers and plays to potential.
2 other 3*
Will be huge if Kardell fully recovers and plays to potential.
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Posted on 11/22/19 at 10:24 pm to SoloTiger
But you don’t recruit/sign linemen in a class looking only at that upcoming season. Having a short 2020 class on the OL, which is following a 2019 OL class that is questionable at this point - won’t bite you in 2020.
But come 2022 and 2023 (where you would be wanting the 2019/2020 classes to be the foundation), you are risking a real shortage of experienced guys to lean on.
But come 2022 and 2023 (where you would be wanting the 2019/2020 classes to be the foundation), you are risking a real shortage of experienced guys to lean on.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 7:16 am to SoloTiger
Any team at most is going to use 4 WRs consistently with a fifth as change up. Usually a TE or RB, or both is including in the top 5 pass catchers for the vast majority of teams yearly outside of a Leach air raid.
10 WRs is a lot of WRs man. We have 9 pass catchers with 9 or more catches, and everybody else has 5 or less. Of those 9, 5 are WRs. Do you see where I'm going with this?
10 WRs is a lot of WRs man. We have 9 pass catchers with 9 or more catches, and everybody else has 5 or less. Of those 9, 5 are WRs. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Posted on 11/23/19 at 7:26 am to kevlanmei
Not that I don't agree with you, But one thing about this offense we run now, The OL only has to hold a block for 2 seconds and its out of the QB's hands, If u have a stud receiver that is crisp at route running, then some of that problem is solved
But like I said, I do feel we need just a couple stud Tackles to make it work just that much better
But like I said, I do feel we need just a couple stud Tackles to make it work just that much better
Posted on 11/23/19 at 8:01 am to SoloTiger
LSU will sign two more O-lineman in my opinion. Dumervil and Xavier Hill, OG/C.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 8:05 am to SoloTiger
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Nothing excessive about carrying 10 WR with this offense. Some schools that run spreads have 13-14. You dont need more than 15-16 OL on your roster. Just need to sign 3-4 quality ones each year.
but you need at least 12 OL's. OL's are big guys that get tired, especially in an offense like this. They also get injured. WR's don't need to be rotated like OL's do. If you have 5 top quality WR's, then that is all that is going to be playing in crunch times for most the season.
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 8:32 am to Keaux10
This is true - if you are gonna pass every single down. LSU will always try to run the ball as well. CEH’s success in the ground has helped us win big games. And it is the improved OL play that makes that happen.
We can not just forsake our running game - thinking that any old mediocre lineman is good enough to hold a block for 2 seconds
We can not just forsake our running game - thinking that any old mediocre lineman is good enough to hold a block for 2 seconds
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 11:10 am to SoloTiger
Misnomer is the incorrect use of a name. Fallacy would have been an apt choice.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 11:27 am to SoloTiger
I agree. People also aren't looking ahead. Next year we will lose 3 most likely. Would people rather have true freshmen starting and playing critical roles or kids that have been in the system a year and more developed? Seems easy to me.
As for the OL, sure we'd like to have as many quality guys as possible but this cycle was always gonna be 2-4 and that hasn't changed. We will likely have 4. Martinez, Dumervil, Jackson and Crawford or Hill.
As for schools only taking 2-3 in a class, go look at everyone's obsessions class and get back with me. They're looking at essentially the same numbers we are and situation really with a DL commit being told OL or leave(Jayson Jones). We have numbers on the OL and will add the amount needed from jump in this class
As for the OL, sure we'd like to have as many quality guys as possible but this cycle was always gonna be 2-4 and that hasn't changed. We will likely have 4. Martinez, Dumervil, Jackson and Crawford or Hill.
As for schools only taking 2-3 in a class, go look at everyone's obsessions class and get back with me. They're looking at essentially the same numbers we are and situation really with a DL commit being told OL or leave(Jayson Jones). We have numbers on the OL and will add the amount needed from jump in this class
Posted on 11/23/19 at 11:38 am to boxcar willie
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Add in another 1 or 2 top out of state WR's that are going to want in. WE don't need 4 WR's in this years class.
you don't just recruit for next year. you factor 2 and 3 year cycles. This includes graduation, early NFL departure, transfers and development. Assuming they lose Sullivan and Dillon to graduation, Jefferson to the NFL and possibly one or two transfers, they could be down to 5 or 6 returning. Only Marsahll and Chase are prven, possibly MCmath.
If you wait and sign 5 or 6 next year , you hope they will be as highly decorated as this year's group, but these are the birds in the hand who will likely pan out . Otherwise you will have a repeat of the 2018 where 80% of your receivers are adjusting to the college game.
This staff knows what they want and what they need so lets just trust them and stop giving your recruiting advice on how they should manage the process. If tehy under recruit a position ther will be enough firpower to just out score the other team on skill position alone.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 11:41 am to boxcar willie
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Add in another 1 or 2 top out of state WR's that are going to want in.
It's quite an assumption to just say we'll be able to get stud out of state WRs again (even in state we have to battle with Bama usually). The guys in this class are elite, you take them when you can get them.
No one will be complaining about this when they're starting in a couple years.
This post was edited on 11/23/19 at 11:43 am
Posted on 11/23/19 at 1:52 pm to RichardT
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Dumervil and Xavier Hill, OG/C.
Still hear rumblings they have not given up on Van Pran. Might be that signing day surprise.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:45 pm to kevlanmei
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But come 2022 and 2023 (where you would be wanting the 2019/2020 classes to be the foundation), you are risking a real shortage of experienced guys to lean on.
You can explain this until you’re blue in the face, and the Brondo-has-what-plants-need crowd will not get it.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:49 pm to Datbayoubengal
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10 WRs is a lot of WRs man. We have 9 pass catchers with 9 or more catches, and everybody else has 5 or less. Of those 9, 5 are WRs. Do you see where I'm going with this?
Yeah, but quite a few are developing, and some just don’t pan out. Look at it this way, there are 85 scholarships, with maybe four going to specialists, So 81 for 22 positions, or 3.68 per position. If we average three WR per play, multiplied by 3,68, we get the correct number of wideouts on the team is 11. If anything, 10 is too few,
Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:50 pm to boxcar willie
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OL's are big guys that get tired, especially in an offense like this. They also get injured. WR's don't need to be rotated like OL's do.
OL is one of the least rotated position groups in football.
Posted on 11/23/19 at 5:28 pm to boxcar willie
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just for next season, as it stands now, we will have Chase, Marshall, Palmer, Moss, and adding in Burton, Jarret, Moore, Boutte, and Gilbert; also McMath, Jenkins, and Kirklin. That is 12 right there. Then there are at least 3 in state in 2021 that are just way to good to pass up, plus no telling what other very highly rated out of state WR's that are going to want to be part of the 2021 class. We are going to have a glut of WR's (and pass catching TE's)
You need to stop worrying about the 2021 class. Chase and Marshall will likely go pro, Moss will be out of eligibility, and there will likely be other attrition along the way.
To put it into perspective, we signed 4 WRs in 2017 and we signed 4 again in 2018. Those numbers do not include the TEs or RBs we split out at times. That’s why we have the luxury, today, of a receiving corps that includes Jefferson, Chase, and Marshall on the field at the same time. If you want to go 4- and 5-wide with elite talent at multiple spots, you have to keep the numbers up.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 8:52 am to kevlanmei
This is one of the best threads I've read on here in a while. Pretty good discussion. Not enough of these lately.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 10:03 am to SoloTiger
if you sign 25 recruits per year and with 22 starters on O and D then you should average 5 OL per class. We signed 3 in last years class not counting Turner and Parker who dont look like they will ever contibute on the OL. Right now we have zero OL's committed who arent longshot prospects.
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