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re: Strategy Question: recruiting lesser talent that "fits" our scheme under O
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:02 am to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:02 am to H-Town Tiger
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The concern is the cumulative total.
Then it's way too soon to freak out. The rankings will change, some kids will move on if they don't improve, and we'll get our Surtains as it gets closer to February. If we're having this same talk in a year then yeah that's a concern, but you know we won't be.
Besides, not every 3-star is gonna get that big bump, but it certainly fricked us a couple times under Miles to be holding out on a kid's offer only to have him blow up later and complain that LSU slow played him. Bottom line, it's better to have your pick than to play from behind.
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Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:05 am to H-Town Tiger
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You guys just want names so you can play gotcha later on. The concern isn't any one player, even the "expert" coaches will take some kid that busts and passes on some 2* that winds up in CUSA or the Sun Belt and gets drafted in the first round. The concern is the cumulative total. Its been proven time and again that a higher percentage of 4 and 5*'s pan out than 3*. The teams that compete at a high level generally are teams that consistently rank in the top recruiting classes.
It's June. The rankings will be greatly adjusted based mostly off of offer lists. (shocking how these sites then "get it so right") Unless you think 1 douchy haired former ivy league walk on can scout the entire nation a year in advance of signing day better than d1 coaching staffs.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 11:06 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:10 am to H-Town Tiger
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The teams that compete at a high level generally are teams that consistently rank in the top recruiting classes.
H-Town Tiger = Clemson fan.
I realize this is a lsu fan. however the comments are contradictory to his claimed team.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:16 am to H-Town Tiger
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ou guys just want names so you can play gotcha later o
This happens every year. Once these guys play their Sr year most of these kids will turn to 4 stars.
What kids are concerning you? No one will name names which is funny.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:17 am to Maximus
I'm excited to be on the same side of this issue as Maximus.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:17 am to dos crystal
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however the comments are contradictory to his claimed team.
Clemson's classes the 4 prior years were 13, 16, 9, 11, so maybe they are the exception (Oregon is really the exception of recent years. However, Clemson's key player was Watson a 5* or high 4* depending on the site kinda makes up for that. Now, tell me where Ohio State and Florida State usually rank? Where were LSU's classes before 05-07 and 10-12?
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:18 am to Lester Earl
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This happens every year. Once these guys play their Sr year most of these kids will turn to 4 stars.
Some may, but not all and some will drop.
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What kids are concerning you? No one will name names which is funny.
I explained this above.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:19 am to SlowFlowPro
If he can find these good coordinators then why couldn't he find more with more time. In fact I'm sure he's already got a list of people he would go after. Ed knows lots of people in pro ball, college ranks and even high school.
Louisiana is in a down year and we have a new offensive system. They will find the best players to fit rolls in this offense that LSU may not have at this time. I'm willing to bet 2019 will be a much different class and that we finish 18 off with a bang anyway. They have proven that they can close with the best. If you have a year of recruiting in the top 5 then top 10 which this class will end up being followed by another top 5 class in 2019 and 20 wtf is wrong with that? It looks to me that most of our fans don't know a thing about football. HTTDB
Louisiana is in a down year and we have a new offensive system. They will find the best players to fit rolls in this offense that LSU may not have at this time. I'm willing to bet 2019 will be a much different class and that we finish 18 off with a bang anyway. They have proven that they can close with the best. If you have a year of recruiting in the top 5 then top 10 which this class will end up being followed by another top 5 class in 2019 and 20 wtf is wrong with that? It looks to me that most of our fans don't know a thing about football. HTTDB
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:25 am to H-Town Tiger
I'll I see is you talking about a cumulative total. I don't understand complaining about this when you know the rankings will change.
If you have beef with a player & now something the staff doesn't, then speak up. Otherwise no sense in complaining about it right now.
If you have beef with a player & now something the staff doesn't, then speak up. Otherwise no sense in complaining about it right now.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:28 am to Maximus
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Unless you think 1 douchy haired former ivy league walk on can scout the entire nation a year in advance of signing day better than d1 coaching staffs.
Don't be so vague in the description, just tell us who you're talking about.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:34 am to Lester Earl
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I don't understand complaining about this when you know the rankings will change.
I"m not necessarily freaking out over it, though i think you guys are grossly exaggerating how much it will change, again individual players will move up, but that means someone else will move down. I don't think the avg ranking for the team, which is 88.50 on 247 will move that much. FTR that would have been around 9-10 last year, so still a good class, but when the teams you are chasing are usually are over 92, there's a valid concern.
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:35 am to SlowFlowPro
It's way too early to say Coach O is sacrificing anything. Every single 3* guy who has committed has at least one offer from another big program. I used to be a star gazer but now it's all about that offer list.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 11:43 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
Yiu are right. They are getting commits alot earlier than in years past. There's still almost an entire year, season, and camps to go before they are finally evaluated entirely. Look at the offer lists these kids have is the main thing. Most of them will be 4 stars by signing day and I trust coach o and Co to identify and evaluate talent more than a Frickin website full of nerds who have never coached before, probably never even played football.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:03 pm to ImayGoLesMiles
Interesting discussion. Again, truthfully I am a concerned about what certainly seems to be a "new" approach to recruiting. Yet, I have been told many times that recruiting is O's strength so I have to believe that he knows what he is doing. Still over the course of many years, recruiting services (notably 247 with their composite scoring system) have established a reasonable level of reliability. If you consider the players on this year's team that give us hope that we can contend (and in past years) by far most of them were 4 and 5 star players--the kind of player that you were excited about during the recruiting season. Now, we simply either hope that a) It is too early and the recruiting services are still evaluating or b) our coaches see something that they don't (and yes I get it, the coaches are the experts).
In short, certainly this is a new approach to recruiting (i.e. so early in the season and sitting at 21 commits, 12 of which are 3 stars when we average about 8 3 stars per season). So, it is worth discussing...
In short, certainly this is a new approach to recruiting (i.e. so early in the season and sitting at 21 commits, 12 of which are 3 stars when we average about 8 3 stars per season). So, it is worth discussing...
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
only issue with recruiting "fits" for Canada's offense, we have no idea how long he'll be here.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:13 pm to BilJ
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only issue with recruiting "fits" for Canada's offense, we have no idea how long he'll be here.
And with a HC that is so reliant on the coordinator for the offensive scheme, the worry that we fill up the roster with bad future fits is valid. But probably not too significant.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:13 pm to LSUFreek
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That said, I thought the plan for bringing in brilliant coordinators was to finally see their schemes executed by 4 & 5-star SEC talent. ???
yeah that's kind of the "other side" of my OP
it just seems like a paradox at this point
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:14 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Maybe this staff is good at identifying talent BEFORE it gets rated properly?
I always know when things have gotten irrational over here, because BHP has to come dish out some sense.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:17 pm to BilJ
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only issue with recruiting "fits" for Canada's offense, we have no idea how long he'll be here.
that's the theme of my OP, basically
the effects on defense (if Aranda leaves) aren't nearly as big of a concern to me. he's that good and any time guys get with him is going to transfer to any system
*ETA: finding defensive coaches isn't going to be nearly the concern, either. as a program we've routinely gotten talent there
This post was edited on 6/26/17 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 6/26/17 at 1:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's the theme of my OP, basically
But inherent in your OP is that the staff is making a conscious choice to sign "fits" over stars. The stars just aren't there in LA this year, and for a combination of other factors we aren't in it with quite the caliber OOS players we've enjoyed. Those that we are in it for are due to Raymond being a known commodity. This isn't so much a long term strategy as it is making lemonade. They're not pulling offers from five stars because they like how the three star fits, they're picking which three star they think has a higher ceiling.
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