re: Staff changes are needed to bolster our recruiting...

BTW, i am an LM supporter. Just being realistic.

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You can believe the mama thing, and it may have played a role, but it was LM's stubbornness to change away from what was not working, that have given recruits something else to think about. Kiel was one of them.

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ok, simple question. why is it you are acting like he or she believing kiel wanted to stay close to mama is obsurd. however, we all should "believe" what YOU BELIEVE to be fact without anything to support it?

see the irony here? he's crazy for believing it could be mama but you aren't because you believe it has to be l.m. not changing anything. we should believe you over him? based on what?

not saying the mama thing was not an issue or absurd, just not the whole story and sounds better than bash LM, but did you watch the game? Don't you think recruits had the same sick feeling in they're stomachs as all LSU fans did? Don't like losing, but Miles got us embarrassed on National tv. Its different than mismanagement of the clock. Any recruit who does not bleed p&G, and those that do, had to be scratching they're head. I know LM and i like him, but it will take some time to change the impression he left.

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We need a fricken OC that can call plays, and even pass on first down. Passing needs to be a big part of LSU's offensive.

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it will be in 2012. You couldn't do it consistently in the back of this year due to QB play. Secondly, when you are up by 3 tds in the second half, you shouldn't be throwing the ball at all if your run game is working.

I hear what you are saying about pushing more on 1st down, like Bama did in the NCG, but we didn't have the ability to do that this year agasint the better defenses. It's not that we didn't want to, it's that when we did, the QB took off, got sacked, or missed the receiver. Especially true in the last 2 games.

I saw the eggs FSU laid this year particularly against Wake.
I saw Auburn suck numerous times
I saw TAM go 6-6 after being preseason top 10
I saw Clemson suck against GT and give up 70 to WVU in a nationally televised bowl game
I saw Penn St goe through the worst scandal in college sports
I saw Ohio St get punished fairly harshly by the NCAA and suck on the field
I saw Oklahoma get beat by TT and destroyed by Okie St while showing no desire to play
I saw Texas' offense look worse than ours all year
I saw USC lose to an average ASU team and that they're on probation with severe penalties
I saw Stanford goof up with clock management at the end of their bowl game
I saw LSU punish Oregon
I saw UF go through a terrible season and their offense looked horrible
I saw Tennessee suck this year and have the inmates run the asylum
Lastly I saw FSU's defense render ND's offense helpless in the bowl game but yet Kiel went there.

All of those schools fricked up at some point in the season and had worse records and seasons than we did and they're happy with their recruiting for the most part. Maybe,just maybe we had a bad run of luck and have some of the most absurd "fans" in the country.

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I'm not sure about it, but I thought I heard somewhere that he's one of our best talent evaluators. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but, I thought I heard Miles say one time that he is less of a recruiter and more of an evaluator that Miles relies heavily on to dissect the players and determine which ones have the best upside/value/fit with the team.

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Steve can break down recruiting film from his admin job then

i am not going to say that a change or two shouldn'y be made on this coaching staff, but the guy said that cooper should be sent away could not be any dumber. that guy is one of, if not the best db coach in the country.

regarding everyone that has said the clm "...embarassed US..." if that is your biggest problem, you live a pretty charmed life

or i would rather you stfu.

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Don't you think recruits had the same sick feeling in they're stomachs as all LSU fans did?

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I think it is remarkably absurd to think that the results of the NC game pushed a kid to freaking Notre Dame.

Some of you have completely lost your reasoning ability.

Jmo, id rather coaches that can coach. Ill take a guy like haley and cooper bringing in guys they like and coach em up. Cooper hasn't really brought anyone in yet will prob have 3-4 maybe more dbs go in the 1st round.

Our oline has played better than ever and y'all want to send that coach packing? It ain't gonna happen, just like the idiots that want to send miles packing, it ain't gonna happen. shite before this season people wanted to send chavis packing, people were pissed ab the hire, guess what it wasn't gonna happen then and it ain't happening now.

Anyone who wants to go out and get a coach for his recruiting ability is a retard. We already have a recruiting coordinator, and he was the recruiter of the year last year if dome of u morons forgot.

Bringing in top tier talent is a start, and we have continuously done that under savanna and miles. Coaching and players willingness to learn is what will when u championships. You think we would be as good if players didn't accept their role on the team? If players didn't trust the coaches to put them at a good position?

Let's go down the list of guys, Blackwell, t bob, brockers, Claiborne, Peterson, taylor, Shepard, hatcher, francois, Copeland, Hilliard counts at fb, ware, handle. All these guys played diff positions in highschool before coming to LSU.

I just wish the Kiel talk would go away, we never originally recruited him hard, and CLM and Krags did an unbelievable job just getting him to temporarily decide on LSU. Kiel's parents were never going to allow this. His family is like a football factory, and the parents are like agents. They will wield more control at ND than they would have at LSU and that's how that went down.

Edwards, Howard, Patterson, etc were never early on high on LSU so we didn't "lose" them. I commend the staff in at least giving it their best shot. Out biggest problem this year is that we didn't have any top 25 players really high on our radar BEFORE the season started, and we went on our run. Therefore we were playing catch up all season long.

Frankly, I think the coaches were working on game plans, rather than recruiting as much as they would like. Obviously the game plan thing was working. This is where I think the Bamas and Auburns stand out, not in getting better coaches, but in having more of a support staff to assist the coaches in keeping track of players early on and staying in contact with them via various means.

Bama seems to use this method: offer every 4 and 5 star then "cool" on certain ones when they feel they don't have interest, or have already filled that spot (see Trae Elston). I think that scares some recruits that Bama may not want them, and they stay interested.

I have noticed that we don't offer as many of the top players as Bama and Auburn do. Maybe we don't have the resources to follow up with them, and that's where maybe the Tigers can improve.

Think of the Saints, once the laughingstock of the league, they practiced in a facility lesser than some average high schools. Benson buys the team, builds a first class facility, gets decent coaches and personnel peoplem, and pretty much since then they are contenders every year. It's investment, folks. Leave no stone unturned. We have the on field stuff covered, coaching, indoor facility, but we need to invest more in the entire recruiting process, not just having coaches spend a lot of time on the phone and flying all over the place, especially during the season.