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re: So why was Mike Archer such a bad recruiter?
Posted on 9/8/18 at 12:46 pm to The First Cut
Posted on 9/8/18 at 12:46 pm to The First Cut
Archer recruited too many kids with attitude and grade problems that failed to reach the field or transferred out. I watched him age rapidly for a 30-something under the scorching LSU pressure. He was too young to handle the pressure and made some horrible recruiting decisions. Cholly Mac always said, "It's not the player you lose that kills you, it's the ones you take." Archer proved that to be true.
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Posted on 9/8/18 at 2:39 pm to Slippy
He just didn't have "it" when it came to recruiting. Part laziness, part bad planning and execution. He lost New Orleans and that killed him. That was when kids from here were going places like Colorado (and impregnating the coach's daughter) and Nebraska.
CAREFUL, HE PLAYED QB FOR LSU FOR 4 YEARS
CAREFUL, HE PLAYED QB FOR LSU FOR 4 YEARS
Posted on 9/8/18 at 2:39 pm to logansrun
God, just say no to those that do not know the history of Louisiana recruiting, first LSU very seldom signed over 6/7 of the top 12 in the state back in the in the mid 70's - the mid 80's. Bama, Notre Dame, Texas A&M, Nebraska etc. would come in a take a few of the top 12 back in those days (do not forget Tulane would steal 1 a year also).
Stovall did very well taking the top 12 and it is his classes that made the Arnsbuger teams starters, look at Archer's first team; if I remember correct 12 starters are Stovall recruits.
Arnbuger hated to recruit, so Mike filled in and recruited hard for LSU.
The talent level was very thin in those days in state, Mike as head couch only lost 2 key recruits, Baron Jackson (Pitt) and M. Carr (Clemson). Prop 48 destroyed recruiting in Louisiana, no recruit leaving state made All American out of state, that is how thin recruiting was in those days. Miss st. and Texas A&M turned to juco and Mike was told not to recruit juco players to fill n the gaps/
Stovall did very well taking the top 12 and it is his classes that made the Arnsbuger teams starters, look at Archer's first team; if I remember correct 12 starters are Stovall recruits.
Arnbuger hated to recruit, so Mike filled in and recruited hard for LSU.
The talent level was very thin in those days in state, Mike as head couch only lost 2 key recruits, Baron Jackson (Pitt) and M. Carr (Clemson). Prop 48 destroyed recruiting in Louisiana, no recruit leaving state made All American out of state, that is how thin recruiting was in those days. Miss st. and Texas A&M turned to juco and Mike was told not to recruit juco players to fill n the gaps/
This post was edited on 9/8/18 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 9/8/18 at 2:47 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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LSU hired DiNardo from Vanderbilt after its first choice, Texas Christian Coach Pat Sullivan, fell through.
Joe Dean. smh
An incompetent athletic director named Joe whiffed on his prime target and promoted an assistant?
Ruh roh.
Posted on 9/9/18 at 7:08 pm to sicboy
Arnsbarger Came to LSU after Jerry Stovall loaded up the ranks with top talent. Arnsbarger came from the pros and didn't like recruiting. Therefore Archer had less talent when it came to depth. The Arnsbarger told LSU to hire Archer and not Spurrier. Then Arnsbarger left LSU to the the athletic directors job at Florida and he hired the coach that he told LSU not to hire.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 9:41 am to rickyh
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Arnsbarger Came to LSU after Jerry Stovall loaded up the ranks with top talent. Arnsbarger came from the pros and didn't like recruiting. Therefore Archer had less talent when it came to depth.
First, let's compare Stovall's recruiting to Arnsparger's.
.........Stovall...Arnsparger
#yrs:------4---------3
#drafted:--21--------18
Avg--------5.25------6.0
Overall
1st---------0---------3
2nd---------3---------2
3rd---------6---------2
4th---------1---------4
5th---------0---------1
Top 125-----10--------12
So overall Arnsparger, the man who didn't recruit, signed more top end drafted players in 3 yrs than Stovall did in 4. How did Archer benefit from these players.
Players drafted when Archer was coach (excludes one JC/transfer that Archer recruited.)
.........Stovall...Arnsparger
#drafted:---4---------18
1st---------0---------3
2nd---------0---------2
3rd---------1---------2
4th---------0---------4
5th---------0---------1
Top 125-----1---------12
And you think it was Stovall that loaded Archer up with talent? The depth disappeared each year Archer coached.
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Then Arnsbarger left LSU to the the athletic directors job at Florida and he hired the coach that he told LSU not to hire.
Spurrier was not the hot commodity that you think he might have been. He had been out of a job for over a year because of the timing of the USFL collapse. He accepted the Duke job after LSU hired Archer because that was the best job he could get. Arnsparger did not hire him until 3 years later, after his success at Duke.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 3:07 pm to tigger1
Super Dozen
1988
OL Louis Age, St. Augustine
RB Derwin Antoine, Loreauville
WR Ron Baham, Covington
QB Michael Carr, Amite
OL Mike Duplantis, Central Lafourche
RB Vincent Fuller, Leesville
RB Tyrone Hughes, St. Augustine
DB Robby Green, Shaw
DB Baron Jackson, Southern Lab
OL Darron Landry, Ponchatoula
QB Steven Smith, Covington
OL Raymond Smoot, Leesville
1989
TE Brad Banta, University....went to USC
OT Jeff Cancienne, John Curtis
QB Jesse Daigle, Catholic
NG Barron Hollins, Winnsboro...went to La Tech
WR Wesley Jacob, Crowley
OT Brent LeJeune, Barbe….went to Clemson
QB Chad Loup, University
C Kevin Mawae, Leesville
WR Scott Ray, Catholic
OG Sonny Smoak, E.D. White
LB Roovelroe Swan, Green Oaks
LB Corey White, Southwood
His recruiting showed improvement, but 9 out of 12 with one (Rollins...its not Hollins) going simpleton hometown (Grades) is not "bad" recruiting.
1988
OL Louis Age, St. Augustine
RB Derwin Antoine, Loreauville
WR Ron Baham, Covington
QB Michael Carr, Amite
OL Mike Duplantis, Central Lafourche
RB Vincent Fuller, Leesville
RB Tyrone Hughes, St. Augustine
DB Robby Green, Shaw
DB Baron Jackson, Southern Lab
OL Darron Landry, Ponchatoula
QB Steven Smith, Covington
OL Raymond Smoot, Leesville
1989
TE Brad Banta, University....went to USC
OT Jeff Cancienne, John Curtis
QB Jesse Daigle, Catholic
NG Barron Hollins, Winnsboro...went to La Tech
WR Wesley Jacob, Crowley
OT Brent LeJeune, Barbe….went to Clemson
QB Chad Loup, University
C Kevin Mawae, Leesville
WR Scott Ray, Catholic
OG Sonny Smoak, E.D. White
LB Roovelroe Swan, Green Oaks
LB Corey White, Southwood
His recruiting showed improvement, but 9 out of 12 with one (Rollins...its not Hollins) going simpleton hometown (Grades) is not "bad" recruiting.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 3:09 pm
Posted on 9/10/18 at 3:19 pm to Tarpon08
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Moustaches are creepy to high school kids.
It was the 80's, moustaches and Bike coaches shorts were the norm.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 3:48 pm to CharlesLSU
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Roovelroe Swan
That sounds like Scooby Doo trying to say Roosevelt.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 3:48 pm to CharlesLSU
Not saying he got nobody. Over 4 recruiting classes, he had a total of 6 players drafted, 5 of which had substantial nfl careers, including Mawae. But with all due respect Charles, evaluation is part of recruiting. Archer consistently had far too many misses.
Posted on 9/10/18 at 4:05 pm to rickyh
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Arnsbarger Came to LSU after Jerry Stovall loaded up the ranks with top talent. Arnsbarger came from the pros and didn't like recruiting. Therefore Archer had less talent when it came to depth
Posted on 9/10/18 at 5:31 pm to CharlesLSU
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QB Jesse Daigle, Catholic
Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:21 pm to Slippy
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That was when kids from here were going places like Colorado (and impregnating the coach's daughter)
Saul Aunese was from California and never stepped foot in Louisiana. He impregnated McCartney's daughter, did not step up and then later died of stomach cancer.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 6:56 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:27 am to MLCLyons
First true freshman in SEC history to be selected preseason 1st Team All SEC.
Amazing talent but as fate can be cruel, had a lower leg injury that ended his career.
His senior year in HS had 212 tackles.
Amazing talent but as fate can be cruel, had a lower leg injury that ended his career.
His senior year in HS had 212 tackles.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 6:28 am
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:09 pm to sicboy
Not so sure he was a "bad" recruiter cause he kept most of the best in state. I feel he may have just not been the best coach in the world. I have a friend who was a RB and started most games he played and he said they had the talent just not prepared for most big games. ...who knows.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 6:59 pm to sicboy
[quote]I've seen this come up a few times, today in the Hallman thread on the rant, but I don't think I ever read what made him bad. What did he do or not do? Just didn't try?
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His first year we were pre-season top 5 and finished 5th. By year 3 we were 4-7. I don't know that he even coached long enough to have a full recruiting cycle, but maybe he didn't lock up the borders when he was here. I'm guessing he was lazy Recruiting is getting out and doing what it takes. In those years too it required major commitment from the head coach..
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His first year we were pre-season top 5 and finished 5th. By year 3 we were 4-7. I don't know that he even coached long enough to have a full recruiting cycle, but maybe he didn't lock up the borders when he was here. I'm guessing he was lazy Recruiting is getting out and doing what it takes. In those years too it required major commitment from the head coach..
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 7:15 pm to Arthur Cantrelle Jr
Nice handle. That name is legendary among the late 60's early 70's crowd.
Posted on 9/12/18 at 8:05 pm to sicboy
I remember Archer going to the State Capitol to lobby for them to build an Indoor Practice Facility. He knew damn well Joe Dean wasn't going to build one. Facilities mattered in recruiting even then and Joe Dean was a tightwad.
P.S. Archer gave scholarships to kids who didn't deserve to play in the FBS much less SEC.
P.S. Archer gave scholarships to kids who didn't deserve to play in the FBS much less SEC.
This post was edited on 9/12/18 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 9/12/18 at 10:27 pm to sicboy
His forte was being the architect of the defense and he was pretty good at it. That does not always translate in to being a great head coach. Aranda is a great defensive coach but he has the demeanor of an economics professor. Everyone needs to find their role.
Posted on 9/13/18 at 9:21 am to Gus Tinsley
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Not so sure he was a "bad" recruiter cause he kept most of the best in state.
He also signed the lowest percentage of LA players in his classes. Here is the result of some data I collected several years ago. I don't include Miles here because it was about half way thru his tenure. Formatting sucks but it isn't that much:
Coach From To %LA
MCCLENDON 1969 1979 79
STOVALL 1980 1983 70
ARNSPARGER 1984 1986 59
ARCHER 1987 1990 51
HALLMAN 1991 1994 66
DINARDO 1995 1999 72
SABAN 2000 2004 61
IMO, LA didn't have a four year dry spell of athletes, but they probably had four years of unqualified talented athletes. As I posted before Prop 48 was a big deal. It was the first time they had the gpa qualifications in core courses along with the ACT/SAT requirements.
To fix this you would have needed to educate the high schools on the requirements and keep on them to get it done. This should have happened under Arnsparger. Whether it happened or not I do not know, but it certainly wasn't effective. At this point we really needed an experienced credible head coach and not a young guy learning on the job. That is on Joe Dean and other decision makers.
This post was edited on 9/13/18 at 9:24 am
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