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re: So the rumor is that Tulane's Patrick Jenkins is the target DT from the portal

Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:03 pm to
Posted by L S Usetheforce
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:03 pm to
The guy who predicted Odell wasn’t good? ?? Earl is in tune but he is human.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 7:04 pm
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
33962 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:07 pm to
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The guy who predicted Odell wasn’t good? ?? Earl is in tune but he is human.


I think he was joking, because we all know the only thing he is in tune with is the smell of his own farts
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:25 pm to
They need bodies now, at that point i thought they'd retain Maason Smith and add a few other guys






PFF

11th ranked player on Tulane's defense.

733 snaps

65.0 overall
64.9 vs run
65.7 vs pass



Just to compare to LSU


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Jordan Jefferson

413 snaps

70.5 overall
72.4 vs run
61.0 vs pass





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Jacobian Guillory

69.0 overall
69.2 vs Run
69.1 vs pass





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Maason Smith

582 snaps

65.3 overall
64.1 vs run
76.5 vs pass





Posted by 304tiger
West Virginia
Member since Jan 2022
712 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:02 pm to
I think so. I don’t know how it translates to the SEC, but 5.5 sacks for a DT is pretty good. I only watched him against Ole Miss, but he was consistently getting pressure from the interior. He looked strong, and pretty quick with good block shedding ability.
Posted by sunnydaze
Member since Jan 2010
30046 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:08 pm to
So he’d be basically just another body

Need the kid from Indiana bad
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:11 pm to
He was not as good as LSU’s guys(who were meh) going against much, much worse competition

He is a body they could use at this point for sure, tho
Posted by SoloTiger
Member since Aug 2016
9524 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:25 pm to
I'm not saying he's as talented athletically as Jefferson, but he's more than just a body IMO. Would be a good get.
Posted by 304tiger
West Virginia
Member since Jan 2022
712 posts
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:44 pm to
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No. He was probably overrated in high school as a top 300 player… but if we’re after a RB, it would just be for capable depth behind Jackson, Williams, and Durham. I doubt we find a productive player who wants to be the third or fourth guy in the room, but we still need another RB.
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
12404 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 7:09 am to
Most kids we'll be able to go after will be "just another body" perceptionally. We aren't the only school in need of DTs, the SEC kids are off the board, and most are guys that weren't going to play at their previous school. Have to trust that whoever we get can provide quality snaps for a year and hope we get lucky and one possibly plays over his head. Competition for perceived "top" guys will be fierce. Take the Blidi kid for example. Lots of suitors for an average Dlineman from Indiana.
Posted by Dubaitiger
Abu Dhabi, UAE
Member since Nov 2005
4955 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 7:11 am to
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Has he been productive?


Yes he has:

2022 Stats- started all 14 games. Tackles- 39 (22 solo, 17 assisted), 9 TFL, 3 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 QB hurries, 1 safety. Safety them within 6 points of USC in the bowl game and Tulane beat USC. I would say that is an amazing stat line for a interior guy with a lot of flavor.

2023 Stats- 13 starts. Tackles- 32 (20 solo, 12 assisted), 12 TFL, 5.5 sacks, 4 QB hurries

All I saw was he was playing a great game against Ole Miss and pressuring the QB a lot.
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
4424 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 8:14 am to
PFF is a really dumb way to determine if somebody is actually good. I’ll go find the video and post it later of NFL coaches and players shitting on it bc the guys doing the breakdowns don’t know the what the assignment of that player was especially on defense. How can you grade if I guy had a successful snap if you aren’t sure of their assignment.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68372 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 8:24 am to
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PFF is a really dumb way to determine if somebody is actually good.


I mean its a completely impartial view that's going to be as unbiased as it comes to grade someone over every single snap they play, not just the 3 or 4 plays you remember that were really bad or really good. The common issue regular people have forming an opinion on a player is they only remember those few extreme plays from a game and have no recollection of anything else. Raw stats dont prove anything really. You could have a linebacker get 14 tackles in a game and played pretty poorly. Likewise you could have a DT play a gret game and maybe they had 1 tackle on the stat sheet. Nobody on here is watching every snap of every player in the portal and could determine how good they are. So PFF seems like a pretty good source to cite in determining how good a player might be overall.

Generally speaking, if you're a better player, your grades will be higher. Who cares if they mess up a few things here and there, the collective amount which is vast shouldnt be far off. They dont need to know every single assignment on every play, in the end of the collective amount of grades, it will be pretty representative of a player generally speaking. Is it the end all be all? No, but I'd trust their system grading out a guy over 3-4 years over some rando on the internet that says something like "well I saw him play well in this 1 game for this 1 quarter, so he's great!" if you will.

For example with Jenkins he got a lot pressure on QBs last season, but still only ended up with a above average pass rush grade. This could be for a multitude of reasons people arent thinking about at all. Maybe he over-pursued taking himself out of a lot of other plays, etc...
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 8:27 am
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
80187 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 8:45 am to
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Diggs is likely missing majority of season at Ole Miss with his injury


What happened to Diggs?
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68372 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 8:56 am to
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What happened to Diggs?



He tore his ACL in bowl game.

Ole Miss believes he'll be ready for the start of the season though. ACL tears can be hit and miss for recovery time. 8 months is probably a tad optimistic from their side. But it wouldnt surprise me if he's definitely playing by SEC play.

Issue with Diggs is he was just injured seemingly half the time here, and with the ACL tear to end last season, just no idea what you could possibly get from him for 1 final season next season. We obviously couldnt gamble a scholarship on a RB who may or may not be able to contribute, especially now in hindsight with Holly at least off the team for next season it appears.
This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 8:59 am
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28141 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:19 am to
Any relation to Pete?
Posted by Relham10
Ridge
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/4/24 at 9:26 am to
Twins
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28141 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:04 am to
Ok he's a take then
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278579 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:10 am to
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PFF is a really dumb way to determine if somebody is actually good.


As opposed to one tigerdropping poster who watched him play 1H vs Ole miss?

I’ve been posting here a long time, and the general public is absolutely clueless most of the time with any action that happens away from the ball.



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I’ll go find the video and post it later of NFL coaches and players shitting on it bc the guys doing the breakdowns don’t know the what the assignment of that player was especially on defense




The same team’s front offices & scouting departments are using PFF data to analyze players

Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13565 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:35 am to
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If we land Jenkins and Blidi our DT issues are fixed for 2024.


Would be enormous for the season. I think getting those 2 guys vs. getting no one is the difference in another win or two just because I could see our DL getting completely worn out in the 4th quarter and getting leaned on when we need stops.

This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 10:42 am
Posted by CatfishJohn
Member since Jun 2020
13565 posts
Posted on 4/4/24 at 10:40 am to
PFF can be misleading for sure. It's just another data point, but you need other data points. At the same time, it can be valuable. It just depends.

He could've faced double teams and teams may have game planned against him in conference play especially because he was their best interior DL guy, which isn't picked up in the stats. I could also see USC and Ole Miss leaving him 1 on 1 and not focusing on him because they thought their talent level was better.

This post was edited on 4/4/24 at 10:43 am
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