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re: So Alabama seems to lead for UT LB Henry To’oto’o
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:43 pm to Chalkywhite84
Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:43 pm to Chalkywhite84
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The trick is having kids voluntarily giving their scholarship back.
Alsoz they have to pay tuition for 1 semester
This is where it becomes shady and probably requires a deep infrastructure to operate. If they were just flat out pulling kids scholarships they would probably be in a hell storm of players, parents, high school coaches etc. speaking out about how Nick Saban is pulling scholarships. So what I believe they are doing is paying them not to make a fuss about it while also fronting money to incoming recruits for tuition. Tyson and Reichard are just two guys that can potentially pay their way. From my count there's 20 more that more than likely cant afford to pay tuition and if they can why would they when they dont have to somewhere else?
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Posted on 2/12/21 at 7:45 pm to Nissanmaxima
Bama will end up with 30 in the class.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:04 pm to Srobi14
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I’m not mad Saban is finding loopholes, I’m just disappointed our staff can’t figure out a way to do it too.
How many other programs are getting multiple 4 star recruits to take blue or grayshirts, or getting guys who get processed to claim they are leaving voluntarily due to injuries on their way out the door? 0. Nada. None.
That’s the issue. No other program has Saban, and no other program is going to talk players into doing this stuff. That’s why you try to take away his toys rather than try to beat him head to head in an unwinnable game.
Posted on 2/12/21 at 9:18 pm to Penrod
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Bama CAN do this; LSU cannot. But it has nothing to do with what compliance departments, the SEC or the NCAA will allow. It is because we are unable to convince as many top quality athletes to come here as Bama can. The evidence is all around us. Every year Bama signs 25 or more top high school seniors. Most years we are unable to sign 25, making up the rest with CCs, JUCO’s, low 3 stars, etc.
Bama over signing had nothing to go with LSU, It’s all about their compliance and how they are treated in Birmingham.
LSU nor any other school does what Bama does every year. They invent loopholes and they are rubber stamped by their compliance and the SEC..
Posted on 2/13/21 at 3:46 am to Nissanmaxima
The biggest question for me is, why hasn't a single national college football writer questioned the practice and done some serious insight into exactly how Saban does it every year?
Saban went with the "medical scholarships" at LSU, and he did it for a few years at Bama, but there has been no mention of that for years now. I don't think it has anything to do with that.
Saban won't even release a list of the players who are on scholarship, but apparently no one questions that.
The college football writers clearly see how many players Alabama signs each year, but not a one has done a deep dive into it.
Why can't Dellinger look into it? Why can't he file a request to get the names of players on scholarship? Why can't he ask Nick Saban or the athletic director directly just exactly how they do it? Why can't he ask the NCAA? Why can't he bring the whole thing to light and explain it for all college football fans?
Those are the biggest questions for me. It's the offseason. You want readers? You want to make a splash? Any ambitious writer with some resources can do it. So why don't they?
Saban went with the "medical scholarships" at LSU, and he did it for a few years at Bama, but there has been no mention of that for years now. I don't think it has anything to do with that.
Saban won't even release a list of the players who are on scholarship, but apparently no one questions that.
The college football writers clearly see how many players Alabama signs each year, but not a one has done a deep dive into it.
Why can't Dellinger look into it? Why can't he file a request to get the names of players on scholarship? Why can't he ask Nick Saban or the athletic director directly just exactly how they do it? Why can't he ask the NCAA? Why can't he bring the whole thing to light and explain it for all college football fans?
Those are the biggest questions for me. It's the offseason. You want readers? You want to make a splash? Any ambitious writer with some resources can do it. So why don't they?
Posted on 2/13/21 at 8:26 pm to CajunTiger_225
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So what I believe they are doing is paying them not to make a fuss about it while also fronting money to incoming recruits for tuition. Tyson and Reichard are just two guys that can potentially pay their way. From my count there's 20 more that more than likely cant afford to pay tuition and if they can why would they when they dont have to somewhere else?
Do you have proof of this. Name the players . I despise BAMA as much as anyone for their favored treatment on the field. I don't see how your allegations are possible. They have signed 27 players this recruiting class. The list includes the 25 annual and 2 carryovers. There is no further room to sign anyone else. You are stuck with the players signed. Once they sign a letter of intent they count against your limit whether they are injured, have a change of heart, give up football or even die. They cannot just process a player they signed when an opportunity to sign a better one presents itself.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 2:52 am to tigersbb
It's not as black and white as you're insinuating. That's why this thread exists. There are gray areas and Saban and staff use those to pile up numbers. Medicals were the early strategy then that got attention so now it's become voluntary withdrawals. Voluntary withdrawals have their spot as an initial counter replaced in a future year. It's all explained in the Bama recruiting thread on the SECrant. If there is a loophole or way to buck the system Saban and his staff find it and exploit it until another is needed. It's why he's the best to ever do it. How many current coaches you know have rules made specifically to stop a practice they have used? Saban does. The bump rule for hs prospects is known as the "Saban Rule". The things he does to get around scholarship limits aren't even against the rules at this point. It's on his adversaries to step their game up or continue to have him run roughshod over the country as he has for the past 15 years.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 1:33 pm to misey94
quote:Essentially you are saying...
As for the real ethics of it all, I’m not as concerned about that. Most of these kids are getting paid or given all kinds of gifts and advantages. It’s all part of the game. I just see this as a way to attack Bama’s recruiting advantages. If LSU can’t make the same use of them that Bama can (and let’s face it, no one can right now), then they should do anything in their power to neutralize them. Championing reform lets you do that from a positive angle, rather than making it look like a direct attack on your target.
- to use the campaign of reform as a way to attack their use of these methods while maintaining the "ethical high ground" (which the staff prefers) while not using those same methods oursevlves.
While I'm saying...
- While I prefer to use those same methods to our own advantage, don't use them and use whatever means necessary to publicize those methods as a way to attack them.
I like your idea better. You've convinced me. It's less risk and at the same time the route the staff prefers because they do view it is as, to a degree, unethical.
Posted on 2/14/21 at 5:58 pm to tigersbb
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Name the players
I'd love to but the information isn't publicly available. All you can do is count and get a rough estimate of players that would have had to walk-on.
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They have signed 27 players this recruiting class
Signed doesn't always actually mean signed a letter of intent.
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They cannot just process a player they signed when an opportunity to sign a better one presents itself.
Sure they can. Just sign a statement that says you voluntarily withdraw from the team.
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:07 pm to Nissanmaxima
What is the latest? Are we recruiting the kid? Would love to get him to pair with Jones...
Posted on 2/15/21 at 4:10 pm to husslemane
Well I just saw Bama’s Ben Davis, the #1ILB in 2016 just entered the portal, so that might be a sign. Although Davis wasn’t very productive for Alabama, it’s still a spot.
This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 4:14 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 9:42 pm to GumboPot
They already have 27 either enrolled or signed
Enrollees (14)
Signed Letter of Intent (13)
Enrollees (14)
Signed Letter of Intent (13)
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