re: Sims, the Camp thing, and the WR situation

The goal was to get Sims a D1 scholarship. Just like Nkemdiche successfully did for his friends at Clemson.

How many of these "I want to play with my teammate" work out? Conversely, how many times do the schools get played because they have ZERO leverage in this process?

If we had offered Sims, and in-state kid for us, by LSU's own policy we would have had to honor it. With HINDSIGHT, not that big of deal. Being OOS and Ouachita, Bama can afford to pull some shite where LSU can not. But I bet we still wouldn't have Mr. Roll Tide. Hell, it would have given him the opportunity to maybe string LSU along to signing day.

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But on the surface its looking like a serious case of cutting off the nose to spite the face by not offering Sims.

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the problem is "on the surface" means nothing, absolutely zilch. the FACT is, we just don't know what transpired and probably never will. overall, i think LSU is a damn good recruiting team that ranks as one of the best in the nation. to disparage them because you lost a recruit and you don't know why is not fair. sure, you feel better. ok. just don't go start believing shite that will ruin your day; it really does nothing more than that and some of the yo yo's on here will be spewing it as fact.

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to disparage them because you lost a recruit and you don't know why is not fair

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I'm not disparaging anyone. If you bothered to read the OP, I'm asking for fact.

I'm just saying that our success in Northern LA has been not so good lately. And the last time I looked it was still part of Louisiana. Every other top school in the nation probably sets up their recruiting not in just one player increments. They look at the big picture.

And you uppercased FACT....well GrandDad..the FACT is over the last few years Bama has been eating our lunch in Northern LA (Bell, Devall, Davis, almost RR), not to mention Texas with TD, and now Crob, Hootie, and Sims.

If you don't think that is FACT, maybe you ought to read the newspaper archives and see where they actually didn't sign with LSU.

I am not a nega-Tiger, but when I ask if not offering Sims because he didn't camp was cutting off the nose when many other recruits haven't camped at all, is a valid question.

We are a good recruiting team, but if we didn't understand the potential consequences of not offering Sims - in an area where we haven't done well recently - well then, we have work to do.

No one is infallible, not even the great Nicky at times....

PS: BTW, if you don't think LSU thinks they made a mistake or are having issues in the WM area, then why all of sudden put Brick Haley up there. That's a good thing, but don't act like they couldn't have possibly misplayed that scenario...

Yes, there's issues in NLA. And they've been discussed at length here.

But, I just want to add to your post that it doesn't seem the fix for Karr/NOLA/SLA is the same as WM/Monore/NLA. While the end result may be about the same, the underlying reasons are different.

And I used the school/city/region nomenclature on purpose. That is because both are not the same, but not real sure exactly where, geographically, each problem lies.

I suspect the Karr kids is limited to Karr (and the Ellis connection) because you can't deny the fact that LSU still has NOLA and SLA success.

The NLA "issue" is a little more complicated. It could be a WM issue (Guice/Kings) and that bled out of WM in this one case to Hootie, giving it the appearance of a City or Regional issue. LSU's success in the region hasn't been near about as good as it was 3 years ago and prior to that.

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I am not a nega-Tiger, but when I ask if not offering Sims because he didn't camp was cutting off the nose when many other recruits haven't camped at all, is a valid question.

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When 3 superior WRs actually DO opt to camp with LSU, and you end up offering all of them, why would LSU trip over themselves to get in with a kid that turned his nose up at that school? And answer this without saying because Sims brings Cameron Robinson.

LSU should have offered Sims! Now even Tony Brown mentioned wanting to play with Sims Jones and CRob.

Well if things stay as they are, then the Kryptonite not offering Ellis last year and Sims this year, could have far reaching consequences.

I guess my thing is if both Ellis and Sims were playing for LSU - all other things aside, would the program overall have been better off in regards to the other dominoes.

You know, there's some science behind everything - including recruiting. Hopefully lessons are learned from this. A psychology doctoral candidate somewhere is probably doing a dissertation on "The Psychology of College Football Recruiting"

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* Sims doesn't camp at LSU because he'd have to pay
* LSU doesn't offer if you dont camp

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depends on who you are. If you are a clearly special prospect you don't need to camp to get an offer. Sims was not a slam dunk prospect and:

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Sims did camp at LSU once before and was miserably bad, that's why we didn't offer. He ran a 4.8 40 and couldnt get any separation

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Hope this clears things up

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Probably not a lot of people will admit it but the staff made a mistake. It's not the 1st time or last time it will happen. Oh yeah and DUCK!!!

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And bama didn't offer kwon Alexander or josh williford. So what? They let jameis Winston go cus they already had qbs. So what? They sitting at home while fsu is playing for a title.


We passed on Benton for randle. But I'm guessing we made the wrong choice.

We passed on that dude from Katy everyone flipped about. We got Leonard fournette instead. You win some and lose some. You guys are the idiots.

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The NLA "issue" is a little more complicated.

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Is it? I mean tre white and brandon Harris. But yeah we getting the shite end in nla.

White started as a true frosh. Harris could too. Sims, hootie and crob would not start as true frosh. Not at bama or LSU.