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re: Should Goodrich Have Had a Commit-able Offer In December?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 10:28 am to thunderbird1100
Posted on 2/8/18 at 10:28 am to thunderbird1100
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The fact we had 3 spots left and only were recruiting 4 players (Chase, Surtain, Goodrich, Foster) and they thought Goodrich was #4 tells me they had no clue what they were doing.
This board is so agenda and narrative driven..
If we had three spots left, and the staff recruited, say 8 guys, and whiffed on one for whatever reason, the talking point around here would have been ‘OMG O is so dumb why the frick did he devote all that time to all those recruits when we only had three spots to fill??!??!’
The mob here is as unstable as the coaching staff that they hate
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Posted on 2/8/18 at 10:38 am to Lester Earl
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and for the people complaining the last 6 months that there was no QB in this class?
When's the last time a QB chose LSU late in the recruiting cycle and it stuck?
From my observations if we don't get one committed in the summer or earlier, we don't get one.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 10:40 am
Posted on 2/8/18 at 10:41 am to Goldrush25
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When's the last time a QB chose LSU late in the recruiting cycle and it stuck?
whens the last time there were 2 separate signing periods?
Ryan Perriloux was a signing day guy
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:29 pm to LSU316
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Simple question....When Surtain didn't sign during the early signing period should we have given Goodrich a commit-able offer?
Absolutely. We held out on a 6’2 athletic CB for a mediocre QB prospect that likely won’t see the field at A&M for three years or so, if ever. Sad thing is we never led for Foster anyway, while this higher rated recruit at a position of need was ready to commit. Sucks for LSU fans, but O and those on the staff who slow played this kid waiting on a questionable QB prospect, got what they deserved.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:34 pm to Lester Earl
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Ryan Perriloux was a signing day guy
That supports my point. That was 13 years ago.
We're not getting late QB commits until LSU's reputation on offense is restored.
Not saying it's impossible, but damn, anyone can look at the past evidence and conclude that it's not likely. Foster shouldn't have been prioritized over a top 150 player you actually can get.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:35 pm to Lester Earl
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its not far fetched when they thought they were getting Surtain
That has nothing to do with having Goodrich #4 in that group and telling him to hold out till the eve of NSD because they were chasing some raw project QB we had very little shot with.
They had 3 spots and were willing to give a scholarship to those 4 guys. Goodrich was #4 in their eyes and told him to hold on while he wanted to commit all the while they were chasing after James freaking Foster who was really down to FSU/aTm for a long while.
Because of that blunder, we wind up with 1 of those 4, instead of at least 2 of those 4. With no true Cbs when we lost not 1, not 2 but 3 from the team this season. It was easily his worst recruiting blunder so far.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:51 pm to LSU316
I don't know how getting 2 CBs wasn't a priority to begin with. Am I missing something on the depth chart?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:51 pm to Mr. Hangover
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This board is so agenda and narrative driven..
If we had three spots left, and the staff recruited, say 8 guys, and whiffed on one for whatever reason, the talking point around here would have been ‘OMG O is so dumb why the frick did he devote all that time to all those recruits when we only had three spots to fill??!??!’
The mob here is as unstable as the coaching staff that they hate
There's nothing mob related about what I posted. It plainly shows this staff did NOT prioritize the correct position of need.
We did NOT have a direct need for a QB this class. It would have been a luxury to take one. The last several months the only QB even in contact with us was Foster, a raw athletic project at best who was clearly enamored with just about everyone but us. We took 2 QBs last class so getting one this class was simply not a big need.
What WAS a big need was CB because they knew for a fact we were losing at least 2 guys to the draft (Coach O would routinely say we had a couple CBs going to the draft throughout the season) and ended up losing 3 guys after Xavier Lewis decided to transfer which was announced a month ago (so they had plenty of time to deal with that). Not to mention Saivion Smith taking a hike before the season even started. That left us with FOUR returning corners for this season, 1 of which is STILL on suspension and their status "is still up in the air" according to our own coach.
So we had a DIRE need for corners. What do we do? We take Joseph at safety, the position he is better projected at, assume we have Surtain (again not a TERRIBLE projection) and do we go after a 2nd CB hard? No, we passively string Goodrich along, a guy who named us his leader and wanted to commit even AFTER his clemson visit. We tell him, no, wait. For what? To get strung along by some project QB we had no desperate need for, and ended up finishing at best 3rd for. Once they finally figured out what most other folks knew for a while on NSD eve that Foster was a no go, they came crawling to Goodrich who told them to get bent. Did we have any other potential backups to that? Nope, Eddie Smith right in our own backyard who had a fantastic season we just handed over to Bama with no fight.
Complete failure in managing the end of this class at CB. Now we HAVE to move Joseph to CB and hope Paris can come back from an ACL tear, lose a bunch of weight, and play CB again after moving him to safety.
It wasn't just amateur hour, it was amateur month to end recruiting.
This post was edited on 2/8/18 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 2/8/18 at 2:58 pm to Mr. Hangover
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If we had three spots left, and the staff recruited, say 8 guys, and whiffed on one for whatever reason, the talking point around here would have been ‘OMG O is so dumb why the frick did he devote all that time to all those recruits when we only had three spots to fill??!??!’
That is broad brush bullshite. I am the farthest thing from Anti-O (at least was before recently), this is his strength. He got this job because he is an elite recruiter.
No one can even pretend that yesterday wasn't a complete frick up. How many CBs do we have on the roster? How on earth can you not land one, particularly when a top 150 player is in.
If you gamble on the big fish, and recruiting is the reason you are here... you better land.
And add again this is another Aker situation and I don't know about you but seeing that Etienne is going to be special doesn't help. This has been a systemic issue now.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 3:48 pm to Retlaw
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Taking Goodrich had no impact upon the decision Surtain ultimately made to go to Bama
Not sure I can go 100% on this. I think we would have heard from PS2 (or PS1) .. "well, they cooled off on me and was looking at someone else"....
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:02 pm to LSU316
Well out of foster, surtain, goodrich, and chase we had three openings. So spurning any of those 4 this late in the game was really stupid with multiple spots left to fill. At least get 2 commitments and then you can say no to someone if both the other 2 want after waiting so long. Actually i would have been ok with leaving 1 spot unfilled over surtain. But 2 with this new hard cap is terrible
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:38 pm to LSU316
Yes, most definitely. We needed more than the "one" cornerback that O said they were taking. That makes no sense when he knew he was likely to lose Jackson and Tolliver.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:40 pm to igoringa
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I don't know how getting 2 CBs wasn't a priority to begin with
Me neither, especially now that we learn that Fulton is not yet eligible. O knew he was losing Jackson and Tolliver, most likely, to the draft. It makes no sense when he said they were only going after "one" cornerback.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:45 pm to Mr. Hangover
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If we had three spots left,
thats the problem
why did we only have 3 spots left this late in the game, when no CBs had committed yet? O wasted scholarship offers on 3 star players that signed during the early signing period. gross mismanagement of the 25 cap.
Then we end up with 0 CBs, 0 QBs, 0 stud RBs, and 2-3 spots left open. Its completely indefensible.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 4:56 pm to LSU316
quote:I say yes, but debatable at that time.
Simple question....When Surtain didn't sign during the early signing period should we have given Goodrich a commit-able offer?
However, following the Bama visit by Surtain- without a doubt.
We knew, at a minimum, Bama made up a lot of ground. At that point it's too risky not to. If we had a different situation with depth/need... meh.
But considering our roster (not just next year, 2 & 3 years from now) AND the fact that Goodrich is very very good (he's no scrub) makes it a no-brainer IMHO.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 5:15 pm to LSU316
Y’all act like this has happened before. Ridiculous!
Signed, Travis Etienne.
Signed, Travis Etienne.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:45 pm to Lester Earl
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and for the people complaining the last 6 months that there was no QB in this class?
did we get a QB in this class?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 6:49 pm to thunderbird1100
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We tell him, no, wait. For what? To get strung along by some project QB we had no desperate need for, and ended up finishing at best 3rd for.
this is the part that is mind-numbing
what was the plan? hoping we'd get to frick over Goodrich at the 11 and a half hour?
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:16 pm to SlowFlowPro
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did we get a QB in this class?
never said they did. They deemed QB more important than CB because they thought they would land Surtain.
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what was the plan? hoping we'd get to frick over Goodrich at the 11 and a half hour?
You act like they weren't in conversation. Coach O said every recruit knew what LSU was hoping to do. He said he'd hope the backup plans would wait and see, but they didn't. He played it right, it just didn't work out.
Posted on 2/8/18 at 7:35 pm to Lester Earl
I honestly think this was a major reason for the frickup. Fans always say that the coaches don't listen to them and bitch and moan about it. I think in this case the staff was listening and it burned us, horribly. Now do I think listening to fans is the absolutely dumbest fricking thing any coach can do? Yes. Never listen to fans because they are too emotionally invested.
No matter the reasons for the screwup, the explanations that completely contradict others are what really have turned me against this staff. I've always been a supporter of whoever is on staff here but I'm done with this particular staff all in one day. The colossal mismanagement of numbers by position is baffling to me and the explanations given only made it worse. How any member of the staff didn't realize we were looking at the possibility of 3 corners next season and not have a plan other than Surtain, who gave all the hints in the world that he wasn't a done deal, is completely unacceptable.
I don't give anyone a pass.
Raymond- his only jib this cycle was Surtain and he failed. Blame it on O all you want, Raymond was the tie and he failed.
Aranda-guy makes 2.5 mil a year and he thought going all in on 1 guy when you only have 3 and need at least 4 was OK? fricking clueless. I thought he was supposed to be the smart one. Its his defense and he's got power that O probably doesn't and yet he couldn't put his foot down and say take Goodrich? It didn't happen overnight to make that decision. Yes as much to blame as anyone. frick a fan favorite. A bad and stupid decision is just that.
If we fired the entire staff today I wouldn't lose 1 wink of sleep over it. The whole group is over their heads. And to think we gave up Les for this bullshite.
No matter the reasons for the screwup, the explanations that completely contradict others are what really have turned me against this staff. I've always been a supporter of whoever is on staff here but I'm done with this particular staff all in one day. The colossal mismanagement of numbers by position is baffling to me and the explanations given only made it worse. How any member of the staff didn't realize we were looking at the possibility of 3 corners next season and not have a plan other than Surtain, who gave all the hints in the world that he wasn't a done deal, is completely unacceptable.
I don't give anyone a pass.
Raymond- his only jib this cycle was Surtain and he failed. Blame it on O all you want, Raymond was the tie and he failed.
Aranda-guy makes 2.5 mil a year and he thought going all in on 1 guy when you only have 3 and need at least 4 was OK? fricking clueless. I thought he was supposed to be the smart one. Its his defense and he's got power that O probably doesn't and yet he couldn't put his foot down and say take Goodrich? It didn't happen overnight to make that decision. Yes as much to blame as anyone. frick a fan favorite. A bad and stupid decision is just that.
If we fired the entire staff today I wouldn't lose 1 wink of sleep over it. The whole group is over their heads. And to think we gave up Les for this bullshite.
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