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Serious question for the board
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:28 pm
So much talk about schools paying players- specifically Alabama.
Do they do it by skirting the rules or is it just sour grapes?
Serious answers guys please.
Do they do it by skirting the rules or is it just sour grapes?
Serious answers guys please.
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Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:28 pm to panzer
Both most likely.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:29 pm to panzer
Kirby Smart, first year at Georgia reels in 5, Five star athletes! Let that sink in! It is about who gets caught and who doesn't!
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:29 pm to panzer
Their recruitment allotment is twice that of anyone else’s
Posted on 10/16/18 at 8:40 pm to panzer
So how would you do it?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:25 pm to panzer
That is my question too. If Alabama is cheating and paying these players the large sums suggested, how have kids not rolled on them by now? Many of the top prospects have been processed over the last 10 years, so why haven’t a few of them reported the violations?
I understand the SEC is in Birmingham, but wouldn’t the NCAA have jurisdiction also?
I understand the SEC is in Birmingham, but wouldn’t the NCAA have jurisdiction also?
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:27 pm to panzer
Mark Emmerat is the president of the NCAA. and him and Saban are big buddies. So until he leaves Bama will never be investigated
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:31 pm to panzer
Ask Tuas parents.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:33 pm to panzer
My wife asked me tonight if O was now considered the right guy for the job. My answer was, "I think he understand what he needs to do, but I don't think he can get the players. Alabama gets everyone they want including LA guys, and now we have to compete with GA on one side and TAM on the other. And I believe that cheating plays a large part in it especially since Bama would never be indicted, much less convicted.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 9:37 pm to LaPride55
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If Alabama is cheating and paying these players the large sums suggested
Because it’s not “Alabama”. It’s people/fans/REC members doing the payoffs.
Posted on 10/16/18 at 10:21 pm to panzer
Everyone does it. The only way anyone gets caught is if it’s recirded or a player rats out a tean
Posted on 10/16/18 at 11:32 pm to Geauxld Finger
Posted on 10/16/18 at 11:45 pm to panzer
They pay more and know they won’t get caught
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:17 am to panzer
I certainly don't know the answer. I have never seen money or material goods change hands.
But just thinking logically, "Why would a team as successful and desirable as Bama risk everything by cheating for an extra recruit or two??? If any team doesn't 'need' to cheat, it is Bama - they are reeling in kids left and right. Plus, they clearly have the most to lose."
Ole Miss cheats? Sure, I get it. Tennessee cheats? Well, why wouldn't they? But Bama? They are turning away stud recruits every year. And all it will take is one kid (or parent) to record something illegal, and it all comes crashing down.
But then again, perhaps Saban looks at every single commitment/signing as a life-or-death situation. And he is willing to risk everything his program has become just to bring in yet another 4-star cornerback from Texas. Who knows?
But just thinking logically, "Why would a team as successful and desirable as Bama risk everything by cheating for an extra recruit or two??? If any team doesn't 'need' to cheat, it is Bama - they are reeling in kids left and right. Plus, they clearly have the most to lose."
Ole Miss cheats? Sure, I get it. Tennessee cheats? Well, why wouldn't they? But Bama? They are turning away stud recruits every year. And all it will take is one kid (or parent) to record something illegal, and it all comes crashing down.
But then again, perhaps Saban looks at every single commitment/signing as a life-or-death situation. And he is willing to risk everything his program has become just to bring in yet another 4-star cornerback from Texas. Who knows?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:52 am to kevlanmei
But if there are people going behind the backs of the Bama staff and offering money to come to that university then how would Saban be able to stop that? Why would he want to and it would take the perfect situation for it to even show up on anyone's radar.
Even if it comes to light, no one would do anything if the people giving the money had no affiliation with the school besides being a fan and having lots of money. The only return would be to the school they love kicking everyone's arse every year. If you have random people behind the scenes willing and able to do this but not so out landish that it can't be ignored then the NCAA wouldn't dare touch that. It would make the system look bad and while the school not really being liable. If it's someone employed then that's a different story. Or if it's someone even affiliated with the school then they could pin that on them and say they should have known.
If it's just random rich folks that organized to dish out money efficiently to get a leg up, then what could anyone do? Then you have all the connections that Saban has in CFB. People from Louisiana should do something similar. Organize a group of people that simply contact these guys and say hey our little group will take care of you. What ever you need while in school, we'll take care of it for you. Nothing too crazy or that draws much attention.
Hell why couldn't a car dealership write up a contract that raises the price of the note once they enter the NFL. Let them make minimum payments so it's affordable while in school then let them pay it off or trade it in once in the NFL? They actually paying for the car, it's not a gift, it's simply the dealership choosing to make the car cheaper for that person. There are ways around the system. You could have the bag man paying that minimum payment so they actually pay nothing but its still cheap for all parties. Not too outlandish and not affiliated with the school in anyway.
IMO it would be well worth the extra money spent to get folks to read the rules carefully and come up with loop holes and skate around the rules. It's time to get creative.
Even if it comes to light, no one would do anything if the people giving the money had no affiliation with the school besides being a fan and having lots of money. The only return would be to the school they love kicking everyone's arse every year. If you have random people behind the scenes willing and able to do this but not so out landish that it can't be ignored then the NCAA wouldn't dare touch that. It would make the system look bad and while the school not really being liable. If it's someone employed then that's a different story. Or if it's someone even affiliated with the school then they could pin that on them and say they should have known.
If it's just random rich folks that organized to dish out money efficiently to get a leg up, then what could anyone do? Then you have all the connections that Saban has in CFB. People from Louisiana should do something similar. Organize a group of people that simply contact these guys and say hey our little group will take care of you. What ever you need while in school, we'll take care of it for you. Nothing too crazy or that draws much attention.
Hell why couldn't a car dealership write up a contract that raises the price of the note once they enter the NFL. Let them make minimum payments so it's affordable while in school then let them pay it off or trade it in once in the NFL? They actually paying for the car, it's not a gift, it's simply the dealership choosing to make the car cheaper for that person. There are ways around the system. You could have the bag man paying that minimum payment so they actually pay nothing but its still cheap for all parties. Not too outlandish and not affiliated with the school in anyway.
IMO it would be well worth the extra money spent to get folks to read the rules carefully and come up with loop holes and skate around the rules. It's time to get creative.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:25 am to BayouRat15
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Mark Emmerat is the president of the NCAA. and him and Saban are big buddies. So until he leaves Bama will never be investigated
Those are the cliff notes and that needs to be said. Emmert and Saban were lost lovers in another life, hetero or homo. If hetero Saban was the male, Mark the female:)>
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:30 am to BayouBengal99
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But if there are people going behind the backs of the Bama staff and offering money to come to that university then how would Saban be able to stop that? Why would he want to and it would take the perfect situation for it to even show up on anyone's radar.
Your point is valid. However, the OP clearly was asking about "schools paying recruits - particularly Bama". Therefore, that is what I was replying to. I chose not to even consider wealthy fans or boosters. That wasn't part of his post.
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 4:32 am
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:34 am to BayouBengal99
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If it's just random rich folks that organized to dish out money efficiently to get a leg up, then what could anyone do? Then you have all the connections that Saban has in CFB. People from Louisiana should do something similar. Organize a group of people that simply contact these guys and say hey our little group will take care of you. What ever you need while in school, we'll take care of it for you. Nothing too crazy or that draws much attention.
Err...we already do that. All of the programs do it, especially the ones who are the most competitive. Bama has incredible amount of resources due to their booster doing absolutely anything, and I mean anything to pull shady deals.
As explained before the NCAA has their back and quit frankly even it there was no Emmert the REC (Bama booster group) has some kind of blackmail. Probably some stuff Bama attorneys dug up on the organization when they were last on probation in early 2000s. NCAA and CFB has changed mightily since then as now the wild wild west in recruiting is promoted.
Ole Piss got caught because their boosters and the program itself were stupid and weren't crafty enough to cover tracks. They also pissed on a lot of cherrios and beating Bama back to back upset the illuminati of CFB LOL!. NCAA is just a shakedown organization to keep things in line and to promote the interests of Bama and blue bloods that are favored nations/children. I love the sport but hate what the structure of it has become due to politics, greed and agendas.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 7:40 am to Uncs
quote:Yeah, but weren't 4 of them from Georgia? That's not so much a sign that someone is paying them off as it is they're emphasizing the recruits produced by their state. You know, what every college team in America does.
Kirby Smart, first year at Georgia reels in 5, Five star athletes! Let that sink in! It is about who gets caught and who doesn't!
Posted on 10/17/18 at 9:53 am to BayouBengal99
quote:It's moot, from the NCAA's point of view. That right there has been a failed defense for LOIC several times.
But if there are people going behind the backs of the Bama staff and offering money to come to that university then how would Saban be able to stop that? Why would he want to and it would take the perfect situation for it to even show up on anyone's radar.
quote:Being a fan, by NCAA rules, is enough to be called a "booster" as long as it can be established you are indeed a fan. Hell, buying a hat of a team as broad as the NCAA's definition of booster is, can qualify you. You do not have to donate money to be a booster. It's the NCAA's attempt, way back when, to eliminate cut-outs and middle men.
Even if it comes to light, no one would do anything if the people giving the money had no affiliation with the school besides being a fan and having lots of money.
quote:now you're on to something. I posted about how a car dealership [could] work deals where athletes get cars for free. The only hitch to get around is that an impermissible benefit is defined as, or one of the definitions, is a benefit that only an athlete gets and a non-athlete student would not get. The way around that is call loan denials. You don't have to give the non-athlete a loan with "no payments for 99 years", you just have to let them apply and make it available... then deny it.
Hell why couldn't a car dealership write up a contract that raises the price of the note once they enter the NFL. Let them make minimum payments so it's affordable while in school then let them pay it off or trade it in once in the NFL?
quote:that is the trick of it. If they are of age, they can sign contracts and purchase things. You can't deny an athlete that right. See above what makes it NCAA legal vs. not.
They actually paying for the car, it's not a gift, it's simply the dealership choosing to make the car cheaper for that person.
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