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Posted on 3/2/21 at 12:13 pm to lsugymfann
Posted on 3/2/21 at 12:13 pm to lsugymfann
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Seeing how much she’s improved on bars (based on training videos) and on floor (her exhibition routine vs junior year vs senior year gym 101) I would love for her to get the opportunity to fight for a spot in the lineup next year when she’s not being overshadowed by Dean, Desiderio or Campbell on floor.
If Gunter is healthy, she would have been a better choice than some others who have been in the lineup. Gunter had problems with her double arabian last year, so take it out. It's not needed. She competed a clean double pike in an exhibition floor routine in her sophomore year. This goes back to coaching once again. How this wouldn't have been in the lineup over a messy routine that isn't consistent by any means blows my mind. There are so many questions I have from this season.
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 12:17 pm to GeaauuxxFan
Olivia didn’t exhibition her sophomore year. She was still coming back from her achilles injury and the team was deep enough on floor that they didn’t need her so DD had her focus on getting healthy for her junior year. But I do agree that she should’ve at least had the opportunity to compete on floor at least once this year. She is 100% healthy and her form is far better than Dean looks on floor. Olivia also had the cleanest routine at Gym 101 this year
Posted on 3/2/21 at 12:30 pm to lsugymfann
Oh perhaps that routine was from her freshman year before the achillies tear. It was on the road at NC State I believe.
ETA: Yep, 2018 would have been freshman year. LINK
ETA: Yep, 2018 would have been freshman year. LINK
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 1:26 pm to lsugymfann
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Olivia didn’t exhibition her sophomore year. She was still coming back from her achilles injury and the team was deep enough on floor that they didn’t need her so DD had her focus on getting healthy for her junior year. But I do agree that she should’ve at least had the opportunity to compete on floor at least once this year. She is 100% healthy and her form is far better than Dean looks on floor. Olivia also had the cleanest routine at Gym 101 this year
My thing is if Gunter can't do the double Arabian with any level of consistency, just let her do a double pike instead. I would rather water it down if it meant a more controlled and cleaner routine. Difficulty for the sake of difficulty literally is an awful idea. It really should be reserved for kids who can execute it well and with some level of consistency.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 4:31 pm to GeaauuxxFan
I was rewatching some of Dunne's JO routines from last year
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Shame we couldn't get this into our lineup. I know she was training to do a DLO as her opening pass but she didn't even need it to this year. Basic routine from her would have scored well
Open with a double tuck, middle pass front layout front full, and dismount with double pike.
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Shame we couldn't get this into our lineup. I know she was training to do a DLO as her opening pass but she didn't even need it to this year. Basic routine from her would have scored well
Open with a double tuck, middle pass front layout front full, and dismount with double pike.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 5:23 pm to Tigerbait357
I agree. I had high hopes for her on beam and floor this year. Wasn’t hoping we would rely on her bars scores because of the dismount as much as we have. Totally opposite from what I wanted for her this year. Literally nothing has gone as I had predicted this year. Well, all except for Haleigh (minus the double front dismount on bars).
Also guys, I read a post over the weekend about us “delusional LSU fans” expecting Jay to win the title in his first year. Looking back, were our expectations too high considering the circumstances (Covid, injuries)?
Also guys, I read a post over the weekend about us “delusional LSU fans” expecting Jay to win the title in his first year. Looking back, were our expectations too high considering the circumstances (Covid, injuries)?
Posted on 3/2/21 at 5:45 pm to tlricks04
I didn’t expect him to win the title, but I also didn’t expect to feel somewhat disappointed and a little underwhelmed.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 5:57 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:03 pm to tlricks04
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Also guys, I read a post over the weekend about us “delusional LSU fans” expecting Jay to win the title in his first year. Looking back, were our expectations too high considering the circumstances (Covid, injuries)?
I was not expecting to win a national title this year. I knew LSU would be improved given how dynamic this freshmen class is and having more depth compared to last year. I still felt this was a rebuilding year overall, as we have no true junior class and senior class is not as strong as previous years (in part also due to existing chronic injuries). We really need another strong class to compliment our current freshmen and sophomore class, which I think this incoming class will with Aleah, Tatum and Johnson.
My biggest disappointment would have to be questionable lineups at times and poorly thought out routine construction. I think jay needs a wake up call when it comes to his choices for dismounts, which completely derail a lot of routines. On beam, I don't get the extra difficulty with rotating leaps in many of the routines. Still not sure why we upgraded Kiya's routine. Floor we go overboard at times with tumbling and leap choices but I also think we haven't been smart with our lineups at times as well. Injuries have not helped either
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Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:14 pm to Tigerbait357
it sounds like everyone's biggest problem with Jay is that they want him to dumb down the routines. My question is why? Is difficulty not considered when scoring? I feel like if you have a bunch of simple routines, even though executed well most of the time, you set a ceiling for yourself as a team. Meaning you will never get to that top of a mountain(national championship).
Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:27 pm to lsutiger2
What matters is that you start from a 10.0. Simple, cleaner routines tend to score well. These “simpler” routines also give little room for deductions. Kind of like last year when Kennedi wasn’t hitting her double Arabian. She could have easily done a double pike for her first pass and still started from a 10.0. You don’t get bonus for having over a 10.0 sv routine....so it really doesn’t make too much sense to do so if the routine will be poorly executed.
Another example would be when Finnegan downgraded from the triple wolf turn to the single turn. Both routines started from a 10.0. The triple really wasn’t necessary although she usually performed it well.
Now vault is the only event that rewards difficulty. Judges do tend to reward the 10.0 vaults more favorable. They tend to be more forgiving on landings. I tend to agree with that because that is the only way to reward the possible risk.
Another example would be when Finnegan downgraded from the triple wolf turn to the single turn. Both routines started from a 10.0. The triple really wasn’t necessary although she usually performed it well.
Now vault is the only event that rewards difficulty. Judges do tend to reward the 10.0 vaults more favorable. They tend to be more forgiving on landings. I tend to agree with that because that is the only way to reward the possible risk.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 6:33 pm to tlricks04
Shallon Olsen is a good example of difficulty not being rewarded more often than not
I understand judges being more lenient to kids going above and beyond but deductions are deductions. They won’t just ignore bouncing outs of lands just because it’s an E skill
I understand judges being more lenient to kids going above and beyond but deductions are deductions. They won’t just ignore bouncing outs of lands just because it’s an E skill
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 6:48 pm
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:02 pm to tlricks04
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What matters is that you start from a 10.0. Simple, cleaner routines tend to score well. These “simpler” routines also give little room for deductions. Kind of like last year when Kennedi wasn’t hitting her double Arabian. She could have easily done a double pike for her first pass and still started from a 10.0. You don’t get bonus for having over a 10.0 sv routine....so it really doesn’t make too much sense to do so if the routine will be poorly executed.
Another example would be when Finnegan downgraded from the triple wolf turn to the single turn. Both routines started from a 10.0. The triple really wasn’t necessary although she usually performed it well.
Now vault is the only event that rewards difficulty. Judges do tend to reward the 10.0 vaults more favorable. They tend to be more forgiving on landings. I tend to agree with that because that is the only way to reward the possible risk.
Makes sense what youre saying. I am new to gymnastics so bear with me. But I dont understand how a simpler routine gets the same starting value as a more difficult routine. Is this just for college gymnastics?
I am just thinking. You are in the NCAA finals going against the other elite teams in the country. Everyone is nailing their routines but IMO the team with most difficult routines is going to get the nod in the scoring? When going head to head like that. Tell me Im wrong
Posted on 3/2/21 at 7:46 pm to Tigerbait357
I agree 100%. The lineups have been very questionable. Much more so than they have been in the last 5 years under DD. DD still pushed difficulty, but at least the best routines were in lineup. This year's team is a lot stronger than last year's overall, but our senior-heavy lineups are not reflecting that.
I'm just quite disappointed that every year we come to this point in season and say 'but it will be better next year when we get the incoming freshman class which is super talented!'. And every year that doesn't materialise the way we expect.
Current senior class - lots of injuries before and during their time at LSU. Junior class - hype over Bailey but we only had her for 1 season before essentially having no junioe class. Current sophomores - Kiya was great last year but now is suffering with Achilles issues. Shchennikova was rushed in last year unnecessarily. Kai with foot injuries last year and out this season. This freshman class is the best and healthiest we've had since Ruby and Kennedi so I really wish we can give them more experience now. Otherwise next year we will have a ton of new routines needed for all events.
I'm just quite disappointed that every year we come to this point in season and say 'but it will be better next year when we get the incoming freshman class which is super talented!'. And every year that doesn't materialise the way we expect.
Current senior class - lots of injuries before and during their time at LSU. Junior class - hype over Bailey but we only had her for 1 season before essentially having no junioe class. Current sophomores - Kiya was great last year but now is suffering with Achilles issues. Shchennikova was rushed in last year unnecessarily. Kai with foot injuries last year and out this season. This freshman class is the best and healthiest we've had since Ruby and Kennedi so I really wish we can give them more experience now. Otherwise next year we will have a ton of new routines needed for all events.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 8:20 pm to lsutiger2
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I am just thinking. You are in the NCAA finals going against the other elite teams in the country. Everyone is nailing their routines but IMO the team with most difficult routines is going to get the nod in the scoring? When going head to head like that. Tell me Im wrong
Well, the best example is three years ago when Oklahoma did their bread and butter routines well and edged out LSU and their flash and swag routines for the national championship .
Posted on 3/2/21 at 8:46 pm to tigersbb
On some events there may be some forgiveness for difficulty, where judges may close an eye to some possible deductions if the skill or overall routine is very difficult (eg not all form errors on a double twist on vault may be taken), similarly with some very difficult floor passes. But the forgiveness is marginal, the routines still have to be clean. If you have obviously bent knees on skills, are not hitting splits, or have very poor layout shape on double layout dismounts, those errors are very obvious and will be taken. We want to minimise the chances for possible deductions so that even a judge who does not want to give the routine the benefit of the doubt cannot find deductions.
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:08 pm to russiangym
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Aleah’s new bar routine dismounts with a double tuck. A freaking beautiful double tuck, but we know Jay has no room for that in his lineups. 
Posted on 3/2/21 at 9:41 pm to GeaauuxxFan
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Aleah’s new bar routine dismounts with a double tuck. A freaking beautiful double tuck, but we know Jay has no room for that in his lineups.
There is no way that is her dismount for elite competition later this summer, not as a standalone double tuck, they will probably add a twist to it.
I do know they have been pacing Aleah slowly coming off her injury and are doing the minimal when it comes to pounding on her body. The meet at GAGE was just a tune up to get out there again in front of judges and get competition ready for later in the season.
This post was edited on 3/2/21 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 3/3/21 at 5:52 pm to Tigerbait357
Do you know why gage didn’t go to winter cup? Only Leanne is eligible to petition to the National Team.
Posted on 3/4/21 at 10:11 am to Twz
I am not sure why, obviously. I did read somewhere, though, that they will be awarding additional national team spots at various times throughout the spring (for example, I think at a camp in March), so I don't believe missing Winter Cup is that big of a deal from the team perspective. I would have liked to see them, though!
Posted on 3/4/21 at 12:52 pm to LSUgymfan420
Yeah -I think most athletes haven’t even qualified to nationals yet. I think Aleah will get to nationals but is borderline making it to Olympic trials
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