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Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:02 pm to Bayougallc
Posted on 1/16/23 at 7:02 pm to Bayougallc
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Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:53 pm to Bayougallc
Thanks for this - I thought it was telling that he said the girls who hadn’t been in lineups don’t practice well and he needed to see more if than from them. I am curious what others think about that. On the one hand, I get it - it would be easy to be blasé. On the other hand, is that a coaching issue? Shouldn’t it be who is best on each event on each time, to give everyone a chance to get in or to at least somehow incentivize our close alternates?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:45 am to LSUgymfan420
It would be hard (IMO) for girls that never make the line ups to be on top of their game each day. I am puzzled over the lineup on vault with two YF. The judges just aren't scoring them in the 9.9 range no matter how well they are performed. KJ is so powerful and could throw the YD easily. I also would love to see Tori and Kam's vaults.
Jay stated that the girls have three days of full practice. That isn't the standard for other gyms according to reliable sources. It will be interesting to see how Jay's plan works out for the season. Hoping the 197+ scores are on the roll now.
Jay stated that the girls have three days of full practice. That isn't the standard for other gyms according to reliable sources. It will be interesting to see how Jay's plan works out for the season. Hoping the 197+ scores are on the roll now.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:36 am to Bayougallc
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It would be hard (IMO) for girls that never make the line ups to be on top of their game each day.
Completely agree with this. If they feel like there is no realistic chance they will make ever make lineups, it is hard for motivation to be there.
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I am puzzled over the lineup on vault with two YF
Also agree with this. Imo the fact that the full scores the same in some meets where scoring is looser is blinding Jay to the fact that when it comes to the big meets, the 10.0 starts have an obvious advantage. Also, it's not like we don't have the 10.0 starts - if we didn't, fine, that's a different conversation to be had. But we do. I would also like to see Bryce on this event when she is back.
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Jay stated that the girls have three days of full practice.
What is the standard?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:28 am to russiangym
The sources that I have state that they go through routines everyday on beam and floor for toe, hand, arm and leap positions. They tumble around three days then go through full routines. Bars and vault are a run through daily. Landings and polish are a strong focus in training.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 4:37 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:07 pm to russiangym
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It would be hard (IMO) for girls that never make the line ups to be on top of their game each day.
Completely agree with this. If they feel like there is no realistic chance they will make ever make lineups, it is hard for motivation to be there.
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BS. You are frickin collegiate athlete at one of the best gymnastic schools in the country. You are not motivating yourself everyday to compete and try and get in the lineup? That's on you. Honestly it gets tiring BLAMING EVERYTHING on the coaching.
Chase Brock did well for her first time but she probably wouldnt have busted her arse on floor if she was preparing the right way.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:26 pm to lsutiger2
Does anyone know if Dunne's NIL deals are tied to her being an active participant on the team? With her being as banged up as she is, why not take a medical redshirt year? Last season on her live she said she was choosing to push through her injuries and no one was forcing her, but it sounded like someone reading from a hostage statement.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:28 pm to lsutiger2
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Chase Brock did well for her first time but she probably wouldnt have busted her arse on floor if she was preparing the right way.
Seems a bit extreme implying she isn't preparing the "right way". How do you know Brock in particularly isn't preparing the "right way"? Jay was very ambiguous about a lot of things and even hinted towards others. Yes I get what Jay is saying and he is correct that you have to put in the work no matter if you are a starter, or on the sideline.
But Brock is a walk on with almost no experience (minus vault). I don't expect her to be the epitome of consistency. She was recruited as a walk on to eventually (this year more than likely) to develop a solid vault to be used or for depth purposes. Her getting thrown into floor shows how bad the health of this team because it really shouldn't be reaching this point. There are quite a few kids on scholarship who haven't exactly lit it up either so I do feel inclined to defend the walk on who was thrown into the fire given our team seems to be taped together by the parts.
But time will tell if LSU can sustain all of this and grow or if Mondays home meet in the PMAC vs #1 team in the country is short lived adrenaline rush. I hope its the first..
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:44 pm to Tigerbait357
GREAT response!!
I absolutely can also assure the previous poster that Chase works hard in the practice. I have been there several times and seen it personally.
I absolutely can also assure the previous poster that Chase works hard in the practice. I have been there several times and seen it personally.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 8:36 pm to East Texas Tiger 99
I want to know why Brock was put in the floor lineup with such a difficult last pass that was completely unnecessary. She didn’t need the full twist on the last front. Not that it would have made a difference because the error came from her punch out of the first salto but it was one of the hardest final tumbling passes done all night and I’m sure that was on her mind. Jay Clark makes mind boggling routine construction issues over and over and over.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:33 pm to BigB0882
Rewatching the OU meet….these switch halves have to go on beam! These should actually be deducted more IMO.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:41 pm to Tigerbait357
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Seems a bit extreme implying she isn't preparing the "right way". How do you know Brock in particularly isn't preparing the "right way"? Jay was very ambiguous about a lot of things and even hinted towards others. Yes I get what Jay is saying and he is correct that you have to put in the work no matter if you are a starter, or on the sideline.
But Brock is a walk on with almost no experience (minus vault). I don't expect her to be the epitome of consistency. She was recruited as a walk on to eventually (this year more than likely) to develop a solid vault to be used or for depth purposes. Her getting thrown into floor shows how bad the health of this team because it really shouldn't be reaching this point. There are quite a few kids on scholarship who haven't exactly lit it up either so I do feel inclined to defend the walk on who was thrown into the fire given our team seems to be taped together by the parts.
But time will tell if LSU can sustain all of this and grow or if Mondays home meet in the PMAC vs #1 team in the country is short lived adrenaline rush. I hope its the first..
Its just an example. I don't know for sure if Chase after two years has been preparing to the best of her capabilities. But regardless, she is in a group of gymnast that Jay is talking about. You got to be ready to go all the time. Obviously no one thought Kiya would be out her senior year but here we are.
I also wondering if he was talking about Kammryn. She had promise as a vaulter earlier on.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 3:07 am to huntington
I believe most of her NIL deals are not related to her on floor accomplishments. An NIL provider is obligated contractually to an athlete and it is doubtful they can impose performance requirements as injuries, coaches decisions etc can impact it. The agreements likely provide an exit if the athlete is arrested or suspended but being sidelined by injury is not one. Imagine the optics if a NIL provider terminated Kiya's NIL after her injury.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 9:11 am to tigersbb
This is a minor complaint but it bothers me when Jay constantly refers to the athletes as 'kids'. They are young women and athletes.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 2:28 pm to russiangym
Hazard of being old and a dad I guess. His kids are the same age or older and friends with the athletes.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 5:02 pm to tlricks04
Also, why in the world they gave Alyona a leap combo on floor she clearly can't perform? She never hits the ring position and the half turn just makes it too hard for her to land and show control. Like bro unless you're Flavia Saraiva, you should not be attempting that one, especially in college.
One thing I've started to wonder this year is that maybe Jay just lacks a little bit of the technical part of gymnastics. And I say that mostly based on his takes at press conferences. Like, yes, I get that Sierra hit an amazing floor routine in a crowded PMAC, but saying that she should've gone over 9.9 is kind of a big reach.. I mean, leaps below 180, lack of amplitude on the second pass.. It just feels like he ignores built-in deductions at all (v.g. double lays on bars) and the only goal is to "hit" the routine...
One thing I've started to wonder this year is that maybe Jay just lacks a little bit of the technical part of gymnastics. And I say that mostly based on his takes at press conferences. Like, yes, I get that Sierra hit an amazing floor routine in a crowded PMAC, but saying that she should've gone over 9.9 is kind of a big reach.. I mean, leaps below 180, lack of amplitude on the second pass.. It just feels like he ignores built-in deductions at all (v.g. double lays on bars) and the only goal is to "hit" the routine...
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 8:29 am to Tigerbait357
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:51 pm to Bayougallc
Posted on 1/19/23 at 4:09 pm to tlricks04
Thanks, Bryce is not scheduled to be back in line ups yet. I would like to see how Alyona does on beam this year, potentially in place of KJ, but she’s listed as the alternate.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 5:22 pm to Twz
Speaking of Bryce, one of the things that strikes me is that her dismount is way way too hard. At 101, her foot almost caught and then of course we had her fall last week. I wonder if they are working on transitioning that - the risk vs reward there seems to high (both from a score and injury perspective)
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