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Regarding LSU baseball, does the transfer portal hurt JUCO recruiting?
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 8/26/23 at 1:53 pm
I have noticed LSU doesn’t dip nearly as much into the juco talent pool as much as they used to.
Back in Skip and Smoke days, you could count on a number of kids being signed from juco. CPM had a healthy number as well.
It seems like the transfer portal is basically your way to sign a guy with multiple years of college experience now.
Back in Skip and Smoke days, you could count on a number of kids being signed from juco. CPM had a healthy number as well.
It seems like the transfer portal is basically your way to sign a guy with multiple years of college experience now.
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Posted on 8/26/23 at 2:05 pm to Honest Tune
Remains to be seen with baseball portal still in infancy a bit, but it could also be because Jay just doesnt hit JUCO particularly hard in general because he can get so many finished players from the portal in his particular case being here at LSU and also better high school classes.
I think the programs losing a lot in the portal and cant replace with as good or better player from the portal might benefit to look to JUCO more.
I think the programs losing a lot in the portal and cant replace with as good or better player from the portal might benefit to look to JUCO more.
This post was edited on 8/26/23 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 8/26/23 at 2:09 pm to thunderbird1100
Shouldn’t need to rely on juco if you are doing high school recruiting better unless draft decimates you
Posted on 8/26/23 at 3:51 pm to Honest Tune
If they are good they are good doesnt matter where they come from.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 10:23 am to DeafVallyBatnR
What I notice is that neither LSU or most other SEC teams have very few to no Hispanic players. And MLBs' rosters are full of them. Guessing it's a matter of money?
Posted on 8/27/23 at 10:42 am to Honest Tune
I would think NIL has done more than the transfer portal. A lot of great players looking to get drafted go Juco because it keeps them draft eligible the first two years but now they can get paid like minor leaguers at a 4 yr school so really no need.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 10:50 am to Keltic Tiger
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What I notice is that neither LSU or most other SEC teams have very few to no Hispanic players. And MLBs' rosters are full of them. Guessing it's a matter of money?
Because there is a league in South America run by MLB and those guys are heavily scouted by MLB and they never go to college.
Posted on 8/27/23 at 11:08 am to Honest Tune
i mean the changes are felt before the recruiting process. The need to go to a JUCO in the first place is almost non existent, unless you have poor grades or are a fringe prospect.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/27/23 at 12:13 pm to Keltic Tiger
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What I notice is that neither LSU or most other SEC teams have very few to no Hispanic players. And MLBs' rosters are full of them. Guessing it's a matter of money?
Have you notice a bunch of hispanic players in the High School ranks? Maybe it’s because they come from latin America and don’t speak English so as such may have a hard time with the ACT. Also may be an issue that they are already playing pro ball south of the boarder by the age of 18.
Come on man…
Posted on 8/27/23 at 1:07 pm to nicholastiger
quote:we’re trying to win CWS here… it’s a good idea to have a team as old as possible for it
Shouldn’t need to rely on juco if you are doing high school recruiting better unless draft decimates you
Posted on 8/27/23 at 4:39 pm to Honest Tune
New transfer portal is making HS and JUCO recruiting less and less relevant as time passes. Skenes, Cooper, Hurd, and White were all major contributors to the natty. The starting weekend rotation next year might be all transfers: Hurd, Holman, Loer, another transfer? That’s why I don’t get people still getting all worked up over recruiting in baseball and football.
This post was edited on 8/27/23 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 8/29/23 at 10:20 am to Honest Tune
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I have noticed LSU doesn’t dip nearly as much into the juco talent pool as much as they used to.
We are currently looking at double digit juco guys for the upcoming class. I would guess we take at least 2 or 3 more in addition to the one already committed.
There are three avenues of player procurement: HS, JUCO, and Portal. Any coaches would be silly to not use all of them to build a roster and a program.
We haven't de-emphasized HS recruiting, despite what some in this thread have claimed. We take a more surgical approach to the portal than most teams and really only use it to fill specific needs or grab top tier guys.
What we're kind of testing now is how high up the HS talent pool we can go and reasonably keep the standards high. We have an extremely top heavy 2024 class. If we get 3/4 of our top 9 players that would be outstanding. But because of the way we've recruited HS players the last two years and because of the portal we don't need to be afraid of losing 5 or 6 guys from our class.
We stand to lose a ton of guys off the current roster and the incoming class in next years draft. Because you never know what is going to materialize in the portal, taking JUCO guys can make sure we're adding experience and talent to offset what we lose.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 7:48 am to ProjectP2294
Good post, thanks for the information.
Just did a quick glance at Skip’s 2000 roster, and we had at least 9 guys from JUCO, and most were either receiving playing time with Skip or ended up playing more with Smoke.
David Raymer, Ray Wright, Brian Tallet, Brad Hawpe, Trey Hodges, Heath McMurray, Ryan Jorgensen, David Shank, Ben Saxon.
CJJ had 4 on his team this year, and only Jobert and Nasty Nate were regular contributors.
Let me make clear, I love the portal and LSU skims it as good as anyone, but I’m inclined to think it will not-so-slowly weed out JUCO recruits in favor of guys that cut their teeth at D1 schools. Schools like Louisiana Tech will probably keep the juco pipeline strong, but LSU will be able to cherry pick quality portal guys.
We shall see. Interesting times with recruiting and college baseball.
Just did a quick glance at Skip’s 2000 roster, and we had at least 9 guys from JUCO, and most were either receiving playing time with Skip or ended up playing more with Smoke.
David Raymer, Ray Wright, Brian Tallet, Brad Hawpe, Trey Hodges, Heath McMurray, Ryan Jorgensen, David Shank, Ben Saxon.
CJJ had 4 on his team this year, and only Jobert and Nasty Nate were regular contributors.
Let me make clear, I love the portal and LSU skims it as good as anyone, but I’m inclined to think it will not-so-slowly weed out JUCO recruits in favor of guys that cut their teeth at D1 schools. Schools like Louisiana Tech will probably keep the juco pipeline strong, but LSU will be able to cherry pick quality portal guys.
We shall see. Interesting times with recruiting and college baseball.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:00 am to Honest Tune
Part of the growth of college baseball means that those guys you names likely wouldn't start their career at a JUCO anymore. More schools are emphasizing baseball, and there is more visibility for guys coming from the HS ranks.
There is still a lot of talent going through JUCOs, but it's a lot more late bloomer pitchers and developmental position players. For instance, we're looking at Dawson Willis from LSUE as a position player. He's got bloodlines as he's CJ Willis' younger brother, but he's been skinny his whole career. And now he's grown to 6'5" and is still under 190 lbs. Physically, it would have been hard for him to get time on a D1 team competing for the postseason, but he started as a freshman at LSUE and was able to continue developing his skills.
There are also still D1 bouncebacks at JUCOs as well. Guys that started off at D1 schools and didn't get the playing time they wanted but also didn't have enough track record to go D1 to D1.
While I agree that we won't be signing 5 or 6 JUCO guys every year like we did when rosters were less limited and JUCOs were a larger part of the baseball ecosystem, we won't ever abandon them completely, and shouldn't.
There is still a lot of talent going through JUCOs, but it's a lot more late bloomer pitchers and developmental position players. For instance, we're looking at Dawson Willis from LSUE as a position player. He's got bloodlines as he's CJ Willis' younger brother, but he's been skinny his whole career. And now he's grown to 6'5" and is still under 190 lbs. Physically, it would have been hard for him to get time on a D1 team competing for the postseason, but he started as a freshman at LSUE and was able to continue developing his skills.
There are also still D1 bouncebacks at JUCOs as well. Guys that started off at D1 schools and didn't get the playing time they wanted but also didn't have enough track record to go D1 to D1.
While I agree that we won't be signing 5 or 6 JUCO guys every year like we did when rosters were less limited and JUCOs were a larger part of the baseball ecosystem, we won't ever abandon them completely, and shouldn't.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 8:12 am to ProjectP2294
20 years ago I pitched in Region 23 and we played Meridian CC in a best of 3 to go to juco World Series. Meridian had more guys drafted that year than did LSU. They had a pitcher named Todd Doolittle that got innings at Mississippi State.
Chipola (They had Rocky Scelfo from LSU’s roster and I think Trent Hebert but he may have been at Delgado) had guys like Russell Martin and Jose Bautista, Ivan Nacarrata, and a couple other guys that played professionally like Adam Loewen, who went 3 or 4 overall. Pensacola JC had Billy Sadler when we played them, he was throwing gas. And he dropped bombs as a SS.
There is plenty of talent at that level and I was quite impressed.
Chipola (They had Rocky Scelfo from LSU’s roster and I think Trent Hebert but he may have been at Delgado) had guys like Russell Martin and Jose Bautista, Ivan Nacarrata, and a couple other guys that played professionally like Adam Loewen, who went 3 or 4 overall. Pensacola JC had Billy Sadler when we played them, he was throwing gas. And he dropped bombs as a SS.
There is plenty of talent at that level and I was quite impressed.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 9:06 am to Honest Tune
There was a year not too long ago, maybe 2017 or so, when Chipola had the most guys drafted of any school in the country. They've come back to the pack a little bit, but the Florida panhandle might be the toughest JUCO conference in the country. And there are great teams in other parts of the state as well.
Florida, Texas, and Arizona have some loaded JUCOs. Then in other parts of the country it's like 1 powerhouse per state and a few other okay ones. Iowa Western, John A Logan, Wabash Valley, Crowder. Wabash Valley recruits all over the place, but the others stay pretty local to their area and develop the shite out of guys.
Florida, Texas, and Arizona have some loaded JUCOs. Then in other parts of the country it's like 1 powerhouse per state and a few other okay ones. Iowa Western, John A Logan, Wabash Valley, Crowder. Wabash Valley recruits all over the place, but the others stay pretty local to their area and develop the shite out of guys.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 9:22 am to ProjectP2294
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Chipola had the most guys drafted of any school in the country. They've come back to the pack a little bit, but the Florida panhandle might be the toughest JUCO conference in the country.
Someone mentioned Dominicans earlier. Chipola actually recruited Latin American countries hard, and Placido Polanco’s little brother was on their team I played against, along with other guys. But they didn’t want a scholarship, they wanted to be drafted.
Another guy I completely forgot we played was Nick Markakis, he went on to have an excellent MLB career. Just talent everywhere really. And most of the guys were total dirt bags, just baseball fiends. It was a good environment. I think the juco guys (or maybe they did in previous generations) brought a certain level of grit and hustle to a D1 team that was sorely needed.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 9:41 am to Honest Tune
Miami Dade and Florida Southwestern seem to be the big players for Caribbean players nowadays. Florida Southwestern is an arm factory.
This feels like a good thread to let people know that the fall juco season will be gearing up in the next week or so for some teams. There will be games at Alex Box featuring LSUE, San Jac, and McLennan.
Locally for me, John A Logan will be playing a fall game against St Louis U. We're looking at a pitcher from Logan, he's also a big draft prospect. So I may try to duck out of work early that day and check it out since it's right around the corner from my work.
This feels like a good thread to let people know that the fall juco season will be gearing up in the next week or so for some teams. There will be games at Alex Box featuring LSUE, San Jac, and McLennan.
Locally for me, John A Logan will be playing a fall game against St Louis U. We're looking at a pitcher from Logan, he's also a big draft prospect. So I may try to duck out of work early that day and check it out since it's right around the corner from my work.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 9:46 am to ProjectP2294
The company I work for is based in the Cajun Prairie . I’m going to try to catch some LSU-E games if I can.
Posted on 8/30/23 at 10:02 am to Honest Tune
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but I’m inclined to think it will not-so-slowly weed out JUCO recruits
Kids don’t need to go to juco now unless their grades are bad or they want to be drafted after a year.
The main draw used to be they could transfer and play right away. They can go to any school and do this now
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