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re: No offer for OL Ishmael Wilson
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:48 pm to lynxcat
Posted on 2/5/12 at 1:48 pm to lynxcat
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I give the coaches tons of credit where I think it is due -- talent evaluation is not difficult.
I disagree that it's that easy, at least at certain positions where Rivals/Scout seem to miss a lot. How else do you explain Florida being so bad these last two years when their recruiting was probably the best in the country over those previous few years. Or all of the overrated prospects that FSU has had, etc. There are certainly some talent evaluators that are better than others.
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Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:13 pm to ColtsTigers
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I disagree that it's that easy, at least at certain positions where Rivals/Scout seem to miss a lot. How else do you explain Florida being so bad these last two years when their recruiting was probably the best in the country over those previous few years. Or all of the overrated prospects that FSU has had, etc. There are certainly some talent evaluators that are better than others.
Offensive line is the most difficult position, IMO. LSU's coaches do a fantastic job evaluating that position (probably 60-70% success rate).
Florida has been stuck in the middle of a coaching change and a evolution of their team's approach to the game, especially on the offensive side of the ball. UF definitely has had some busts, but their best class is turning to juniors right now so I wouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly. They also haven't had a QB worth a damn...and we all know how that can stagnate a program. RB has been a MAJOR hole at UF and really limited what they could do on offense.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:25 pm to lynxcat
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Offensive line is the most difficult position, IMO. LSU's coaches do a fantastic job evaluating that position (probably 60-70% success rate).
Florida has been stuck in the middle of a coaching change and a evolution of their team's approach to the game, especially on the offensive side of the ball. UF definitely has had some busts, but their best class is turning to juniors right now so I wouldn't jump to conclusions too quickly. They also haven't had a QB worth a damn...and we all know how that can stagnate a program. RB has been a MAJOR hole at UF and really limited what they could do on offense.
They have had tons of misses already in recent classes at WR, DB, and even RB. Many of those guys have already been beaten out or transferred.
Defensive line is another position that the websites seem to have a hard time evaluating. Just look even at a strong DL school like LSU, where some of the top prospects recently included guys like Aghayere and Corley who were always overrated (or even Davenport).
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:33 pm to ColtsTigers
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Defensive line is another position that the websites seem to have a hard time evaluating. Just look even at a strong DL school like LSU, where some of the top prospects recently included guys like Aghayere and Corley who were always overrated (or even Davenport).
Disagreed. You have a couple examples at LSU, but overall the DL is one of the easier areas to evaluate.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:42 pm to jcole4lsu
quote:They left for totally different reasons. Not really sure wtf that has to do with this.
yeah, the top 3 players in LA didnt leave the state or anything this year.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 2:51 pm to lynxcat
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Disagreed. You have a couple examples at LSU, but overall the DL is one of the easier areas to evaluate.
It's easy if the guy's name is Clowney or Nkemdiche, but besides those no-brainers, Rivals has had a ton of misses recently. I named the school with the best DL in the country last year, so how many busts you think there were at other schools. What did Omar Hunter and William Green do for UF this year, for example? Watching Mario Edwards' film this past year, nothing about it screamed top prospect in the country to me.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 3:57 pm to lynxcat
only thing I would assume is that it could be an academic problem, cause he is easily the number 1 or 2 offensive tackle in the state ( Perkins)
Posted on 2/5/12 at 4:06 pm to lynxcat
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talent evaluation is not difficult
That is a ridiculous statement, IMO.
The evaluation of players in almost every case...especially outside of the really top players is very much about projection. To consistently be able to hit the mark on which players project to play at a very high level is extremely tough. Hell, physically, most kids won't look anything like they do on signing day due to the physical changes they will go through.
It's a moving target. Knowing which kids can break bad habits, pick up technique, maintain quickness while gaining strength, give the effort and time it takes to improve, etc. is very tough. In fact, it's a lot closer to a crapshoot than it is to being "not that difficult".
Posted on 2/5/12 at 4:49 pm to moneyg
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That is a ridiculous statement, IMO.
The evaluation of players in almost every case...especially outside of the really top players is very much about projection. To consistently be able to hit the mark on which players project to play at a very high level is extremely tough. Hell, physically, most kids won't look anything like they do on signing day due to the physical changes they will go through.
It's a moving target. Knowing which kids can break bad habits, pick up technique, maintain quickness while gaining strength, give the effort and time it takes to improve, etc. is very tough. In fact, it's a lot closer to a crapshoot than it is to being "not that difficult".
When the typical coach is only right ~50% of the time...it is not very difficult to be right just as often.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 5:42 pm to lynxcat
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When the typical coach is only right ~50% of the time...it is not very difficult to be right just as often.
And you called it easy.
If what you meant was that it is extremely tough to do well, then I agree. Of course, that's the exact opposite of what you said.
Posted on 2/5/12 at 5:49 pm to moneyg
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And you called it easy.
If what you meant was that it is extremely tough to do well, then I agree. Of course, that's the exact opposite of what you said.
I do not think it is difficult to be 'right' on a prospects and stay on par with college coaches expectations. I am baselining at a different point for what I am describing as "easy".
Posted on 2/5/12 at 5:49 pm to moneyg
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And you called it easy.
If what you meant was that it is extremely tough to do well, then I agree. Of course, that's the exact opposite of what you said.
I do not think it is difficult to be 'right' on a prospects and stay on par with college coaches expectations. I am baselining at a different point for what I am describing as "not very difficult".
I think this thread has really been derailed...
This post was edited on 2/5/12 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 2/5/12 at 5:51 pm to CatahoulaTigers
Posted on 2/5/12 at 9:00 pm to RBWilliams8
Could it b les has learned to do it sabans way and the kid is a silent commit who wants to take some visits and the staff is holding his offer till later on? One can only hope.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 8:50 am to jcole4lsu
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yeah, the top 3 players in LA didnt leave the state or anything this year. coaches arent infallible, this board is for that type of discussion.
wtf does this have to do with being able to evaluate talent? Did we not have one of those committed for a year? Did we not want LC?
:stupid post is stupid:
Posted on 2/6/12 at 9:02 am to ColtsTigers
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has had a ton of misses recently
Why cause they are not 99% right? do you know how many factors go into a guy panning out or not? Think coaching and development play a role? Whay if the kid gets in trouble off the field. Its not an extact science, but people have broken it down. A higher percentage of 5* guys become good college players and go to the pros.
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Watching Mario Edwards' film this past year, nothing about it screamed top prospect in the country to me
The start your own service since you have insight that other professional sites, not to mention the coaching staffs at FSU, LSU and Texas among others missed.
Posted on 2/6/12 at 9:03 am to CatahoulaTigers
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No offer for OL Ishmael Wilson
Curious... does he have a "high motor"? Or, is he "articulate"?
Posted on 2/6/12 at 3:25 pm to GeauxWolverines
There must be A LOT of Olinemen on the short list for LSU. We are really thin on Oline depth for 2013. I assume that a minimum of 2 Tackles and 2 Interiors will be needed, this year.
2013 OLINE and Tight Ends
TEs
Nic Jacobs 6-5 260 jr
Dillon Gordon 6-5 270 so
John Thomas 6-5 240 so
Travis Dickson 6-3 245 jr
T
Chris Faulk 6-6 320 sr
Evan Washington 6-5 315 jr
Vadal Alexander 6-6 320 fr
G
Chris Davenport 6-4 310 sr
Jonah Austin 6-5 320 so
C
Elliot Porter 6-4 300 jr
Corey White 6-3 315 so
G
Josh Williford 6-7 330 sr
Trai Turner 6-2 335 so
T
La’el Collins 6-4 315 jr
Derek Edinburgh 6-7 320 so
2013 OLINE and Tight Ends
TEs
Nic Jacobs 6-5 260 jr
Dillon Gordon 6-5 270 so
John Thomas 6-5 240 so
Travis Dickson 6-3 245 jr
T
Chris Faulk 6-6 320 sr
Evan Washington 6-5 315 jr
Vadal Alexander 6-6 320 fr
G
Chris Davenport 6-4 310 sr
Jonah Austin 6-5 320 so
C
Elliot Porter 6-4 300 jr
Corey White 6-3 315 so
G
Josh Williford 6-7 330 sr
Trai Turner 6-2 335 so
T
La’el Collins 6-4 315 jr
Derek Edinburgh 6-7 320 so
Posted on 2/6/12 at 8:00 pm to dstone12
The o-line isn't all that thin. There are 12 guys (I don't see Hawkins on the list) not including anyone signed in the upcoming class. We're fine as long as we keep signing 3-4, sometimes 5 per year.
This post was edited on 2/6/12 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 2/7/12 at 8:11 am to MOT
I've got Hawkins at DT. Just from reading the websites and all.
I think we need 4 for 2013.
I think we need 4 for 2013.
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