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re: National Champion Clemson Tigers over the past 4 years signed
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:37 pm to LSUgrad08112
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:37 pm to LSUgrad08112
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The people who are ripping his recruiting ability over a few 3 stars early in the recruiting cycle are complete morons
Exactly. Most of these kids will be 4 stars by time NSD comes around. Just for fun, take a look at the last 3 commits and who else they have offers from. Are all of these other schools wrong too?
Chris Curry 3* with offers from: Florida, Maryland, Michigan, UNC, Ole Miss, Oregon, Rutgers, Syracuse, Tenn, USC, USF, WKU, Wisconsin, Clemson, Miami
Tae Provens 3* with offers from: Ark State, Auburn, Duke, Ga Tech, Jacksonville, St, Louisville, Memphis, Miss St, Ok St, Ole Miss, South Car, Tenn, UCF, UCLA, USC, WKU
Zach Sheffer 3* with offers from: Auburn, BC, Louisville, Michigan, Minnesota, Miss St, Ohio St, Purdue, South Car, Syracuse, Tenn, USF, Vandy, Va Tech, WVU
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Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:39 pm to LSUgrad08112
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What's the problem here exactly?
You tell me what the problem is. You seem very belligerent. I think Orgeron killed it in 2017 and I'm confident in whatever his plan is with 2018. But I didn't think it was appropriate to compare Miles' 2005 class with Orgeron's 2018 class for the reasons I stated... Miles had been on campus about a month and Orgeron will have been head coach for about 15 months in February 2018
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:39 pm to H-Town Tiger
yea you're right, Robinson sucks and everyone has no fewer than 5 Raymonds and Arandas on staff because they're actually average. Here I was thinking that Raymond has one of the best recruiting and player development track records of any position coach in the entire nation and Aranda is one of the best X's and O's coaches in college football, but thanks for clearing that up for me. I'll let Claiborne, Mathieu, Reed, Peterson, Adams, White, etc. know how overrated Coach Raymond is for you, I'm sure they're not aware of your piping hot insider info
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:52 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Robinson is meh and Raymond is grossly overrated by our fans
Come on now. Robinson was the second ranked recruiter in the country last year and Raymond was just named the top db recruiter in the country.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:06 pm to LSUgrad08112
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yea you're right, Robinson sucks and everyone has no fewer than 5 Raymonds and Arandas on staff because they're actually average
Leave the straw man in Oz Dorothy. Seeing as the current limit is 9 assistants how exactly can a team have 5 Arandas and 5 Raymond's? Are you in turn arguing that there are no other good young coaches? Where the hell do you think our coaches came from?
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Aranda is one of the best X's and O's coaches in college football, but thanks for clearing that up for me.
Things would be a lot clearer if you would read, I said I love Aranda he is great he also has only been here 1 season, which means he was somewhere else recruiting and coaching. So some where else there is a great young up coming DC Also we had some stout defenses long before he got here.
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Here I was thinking that Raymond has one of the best recruiting and player development track records of any position coach in the entire nation
Based on what exactly? Take off your P&G glasses and tell me how the secondary has been the last couple of years.
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Claiborne, Mathieu, Reed, Peterson
You realize that none of those guys played for Raymond right? Ron Cooper was the DB coach from 2009-2012. Also it's Reid
Again we had good Dbs before Raymond.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:08 pm to razer
Anyone who doubt our coaches need to hear this. Our coaches evaluate and recruit for a living, it's their lively hood and stock their careers off of these kids on thier team. They have literally seen 10s of 1000s of kids in their careers, some more, up close and personal. You mean those guys can't pick em better then someone who has a camera, laptop, and writes articles for a living based on popularity to literally get paid to put out a popular article, not whether they are right or wrong.
If people would look at how many recruits were missed as 3*, 2*, 1* or not ranked, then add that to the ones they do rank 4* and 5* which missed as well then compare to successful coaches rosters misses they would stop comparing.
These sites miss A TON if you count the lower ranked guys and higher ranked guys they miss every year.
If people would look at how many recruits were missed as 3*, 2*, 1* or not ranked, then add that to the ones they do rank 4* and 5* which missed as well then compare to successful coaches rosters misses they would stop comparing.
These sites miss A TON if you count the lower ranked guys and higher ranked guys they miss every year.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:13 pm to whitefoot
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Robinson was the second ranked recruiter in the country last year and Raymond was just named the top db recruiter in the country.
Kevin Steele was once the top recruiter so what? With all due respect We've been reeling in great DBs for years, how have they been playing? Keep in mind too, rankings include signing guys like Smith that are no longer here.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:16 pm to H-Town Tiger
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You realize that none of those guys played for Raymond right? Ron Cooper was the DB coach from 2009-2012. Also it's Reid
Again we had good Dbs before Raymond.
Cooper left after 2011 so Reid did play for Raymond one year and played worse than the year before. Raymond isn't bad but is absolutely overrated as a coach. He is an inferior teacher to Cooper but thankfully his recruiting makes up for it.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:17 pm to tigerbait1.6
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invalid information
This. Rivals is literally the absolute worst choice you could've possibly made when using recruiting rankings....
Try 247 composite nextime, I would bet the rankings of those 2-3 star guys you used to back your argument more than likely falls apart because the guys mentioned in that 51 percent you threw up there, probably end up with a much smaller percentage all said and done.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:22 pm to MOT
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Raymond isn't bad but is absolutely overrated as a coach. He is an inferior teacher to Cooper but thankfully his recruiting makes up for it.
I stand corrected on Reid but all those guys at least signed before Raymond and while he may be a very good recruiter we obviously had plenty of talent before he got here it's not like the most recent classes are better than previous years. So people just like him cause he's our guy currently
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:27 pm to H-Town Tiger
Well, since this is the recruiting board and this discussion was about the staff's ability to recruit and identify talent, I assumed we were discussing those coaches from a recruiting perspective. Their on field coaching ability might be better suited for the rant.
That said, we did just have 2 dbs selected in the first round of the NFL draft.
That said, we did just have 2 dbs selected in the first round of the NFL draft.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 9:27 pm to LSUgrad08112
It's June. Let's see where we are on signing day. The only reason we're ranked 3 now is quantity not quality (star wise). Stop bullshiitin yourself.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:13 pm to whitefoot
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Well, since this is the recruiting board and this discussion was about the staff's ability to recruit and identify talent,
i was responding to a post where someone said other teams that have recruited 3* didn't have our coaches, which at least implies he's valuing coaching ability beyond just recruiting. All i said was Raymond is over rated because he's our guy. Fans usually over rate current guys.
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That said, we did just have 2 dbs selected in the first round of the NFL draft
andthat did not start with Corey Raymond either. Landry, Peterson, Claiborne were all first rounders too under various DB coaches.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:24 pm to H-Town Tiger
Gotcha. I'm not qualified to judge their coaching ability, but they've proven to be great recruiters in their careers.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 10:32 pm to whitefoot
Sure you are, its not rocket surgery. Again, i'm not saying he's bad, just grossly overrated by some of our fans since that's what fans do. I personally think the DB play has slipped the last couple of years, in fairness that could be in part because the talent up front has been sliding
Again, i'm not saying he's bad, just grossly overrated by some of our fans since that's what fans do. I personally think the DB play has slipped the last couple of years, in fairness that could be in part because the talent up front has been slidingPosted on 6/25/17 at 11:20 pm to doya2
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42 3&2 stars. From 2014 thru 2017 "51%" of their 83 signees were a three or two star. They played in two straight national championship games and beat Bama this past season. Of course in the 2014 class they signed a QB by the name of Watson. Until we get one of those (difference maker QB) it is what it is. But don't star gaze too much. Developing a QB is way more important than counting stars....ask Clemson. The info used was provided by Rivals.
Your post is so half assed.
Starting lineup for the national championship game
QB 4 star
WR 4 star
WR walk on
WR 4 star
- Notable non starters
Deon Cain 5 star - 724 yards 9 TDs 19 ypc
Ray Ray McCloud 4 star - 472 yards 2 TDs
RB 4 star
Notable non starter
Tevin Feaster 4 star #1 APB - 221 yards 2 TDs 6 ypc true freshman
TE 3 star
OL 5 star
OL 3 star
OL 3 star
OL 4 star
OL 4 star
DL 4 star
DL 4 star
DL 5 star
DL 4 star
LB 4 star
LB 3 star
LB 4 star
DB 2 star
DB 3 star
DB 4 star
DB 4 star
You have the occasional 3 star or below scattered about but their team was based damn near entirely on the star power. Worked for 2015 too. Their other 4 and 5 stars are scattered about as backups.
For the most part those 3 stars you got from Rivals were 3rd string or lower, meaning depth at best. Check out that 2014 class for example. Outside of Watson, Scott, and Joseph, that class was pretty awful. The only other starter is an offensive lineman and a kicker that had zero stars. That was their worst class that had 21 total guys with 11 of them being 3 star or below.
High quality talent is the only way to win a championship. Sure you need a couple hidden gems but half of your class shouldn't be 3 stars or below.
My only guess for our class is that some guys will be 4 stars and some will be pushed away for better talent. I like some of our 3 stars (Curry is my favorite), but not all of these guys should have had commitable offers this early.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 12:00 am to Datbayoubengal
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My only guess for our class is that some guys will be 4 stars and some will be pushed away for better talent.
Nice post and I especially agree with this part. I wonder, if the early signing period were to start today, how many of our current class would not actually be sent papers to sign even if they wanted to sign early.
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not all of these guys should have had commitable offers this early.
There's got to be a reason for this. O knows that talent wins as well as anyone. I'm extremely interested to see how this all shakes out. I'm still confident that we'll be happy come February.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:04 am to whitefoot
Without going back and researching exact numbers I'm confident Saban wasn't recruiting a Top 1-3 class until he won a championship at Bama.
We need this staff to take these kids and get playoff caliber results and the blue chippers will come. That being said, it's way too early to judge the finish of this class. It will be completely different by signing day.
It's Canada's first year so he has to show what he can do with the O before kids line up to come here and if Aranda is the genius that we all think he is, why are folks worried about his players? He can make 2 and 3 star kids into a solid D.
We need this staff to take these kids and get playoff caliber results and the blue chippers will come. That being said, it's way too early to judge the finish of this class. It will be completely different by signing day.
It's Canada's first year so he has to show what he can do with the O before kids line up to come here and if Aranda is the genius that we all think he is, why are folks worried about his players? He can make 2 and 3 star kids into a solid D.
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:30 am to doya2
All I know is when O was at Ole Miss they stole some pretty good under the radar players out of LA
He brought SEC talent to Ole Miss
He brought SEC talent to Ole Miss
Posted on 6/26/17 at 7:32 am to doya2
That's clearly the exception rather than the rule. Clemson also had a game changing QB.
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