National Champion Clemson Tigers over the past 4 years signed

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This makes this invalid information

The other thousand teams don't have Dave Aranda, Matt Canada, Corey Raymond, Tommie Robinson, etc etc.

Not sure how anyone can worry about talent evaluation by a staff with that much skill and experience. Miles had a ridiculously solid stretch of recruiting (2012 and 2013) where he signed basically no marquee "star caliber" players at the time but many of them developed into first round draft picks.

As much as our fans are going to freak the frick out and try to burn tiger stadium down over it, solid talent evaluation on a bunch of 4 and 3 stars is going to pan out way better than shitty talent evaluation and signing the highest star ratings possible, and no one here knows if O is screwing up until we actually see some of these guys on campus, what their final recruiting grades are, and who else we pick up. I trust this staff pretty wholeheartedly on recruiting. The chicken little shite on recruiting of all things is getting really old really fast, y'all need to stop being pussies and withhold judgement until at least mid season.

Agree with that except for the mid season comment. Mid conference schedule ok, but mid season has not told the story since 2011

Now tell us about Bama's star totals during their dominant run.


To ignore the fact that our commitments have been underwhelming is plain stupid. I'll cheer for our guys no matter what, but stop pretending stars and highly ranked recruits don't matter. You know that's not true and living in denial won't change that.

The excuses for 3 stars are starting to be comical.

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Miles didn't have a recruiting problem, everyone knows he was belligerent with the offensive play calls. The talent was there via 5, 4, and some 3 star recruits

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Why don't you go look at #1 Ace Recrutiing Guru Les Miles' first cycle in 2005 and get back to me, genius. It was barely in the top 25 and the 2018 class that you're crying about is ranked 3rd in the country and 1st in the SEC. Players typically don't flock to first year coaches because there's absolutely no track record to base their life changing decision off of. It is what it is.

I'm not sure what more you idiots want from Orgeron at this point considering the fact that his first class closed ridiculously strong after he took over midseason last year and he has a really solid class going so far this year. Should he be signing all 5 stars or something? Saban signs a lot of 3*'s early every cycle too and processes them if they don't look like they're going to pan out and it looks like Orgeron is taking that same approach unlike "nice guy" Miles.

So again, you are a pussy if you're this freaked out over signing a bunch of 3 stars who mostly won't end up being 3 stars (Bakersville and Curry 100%, along with the #6 Center who would be a 4* if centers were ranked normally, a strong JUCO player in Moore who's rating is lower than it would be if he was a high schooler considering he's the #1 overall JUCO DE, and some atypical TE's who are going to end up being H-backs and probably huge contributors under Canada) by the time it's said and done. Not sure if this is your first time following recruiting or if you just hate Orgeron, but he's doing a pretty damn impressive job compared to every other first year coach in the SEC in the past 20ish years with the exception of Saban and possibly Meyer.

He has literally 6 or 7 "true" 3 stars right now and, again, the #3 ranked class nationally and you're having a complete melt down. Get your shite together.

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right now and, again, the #3 ranked class nationally and you're having a complete melt down. Get your shite together.

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There were limited spots available in the 2005 class and Miles hadn't been on campus for two years prior to that signing day. It isn't even close to being apples to apples and at this rate our current class has no chance of finishing in the top 3 anyway.

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You're a fricking idiot if you think that this class is anything but solid right now

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I didn't say it isn't solid, just that it won't finish in the top 3. You shouldn't get so emotional and pissy.

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That leaves 4 players who are "true" 3 stars in this class.

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That's an interesting rating system you have there.

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And Orgeron only had 2 months on the job before he signed the 2017 class, which ended up being #7 in the nation

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This is misleading. He was not hired from the outside and as recruiting coordinator before being named interim he had a hand in recruiting the 2017 class for basically 2 years before finally being named full time HC, so it is not remotely like Miles or Saban for that matter being hired from the outside. As for the 2006 class comparison if he have a hurricane that wiped out New Orleans and a good chunk of the southern portion of the state like the fall of 2005 then we can compare.