re: My Grade for this Class (Kinda Long but I Think it's Decent haha)

You make a few good points, but most of them irrelevant in the long run. LSU had a great class, like we always do. No need to overanalyze it IMO.

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I truly believe Chavis has been moving safeties to OLBs more out of necessity and not out of desire.

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Well your belief aside, Chavis did it his entire career as DC in Tennessee. This is from an article when he first arrived at LSU:

"LSU head coach Les Miles had discussed the possibility of moving a safety to the Sam linebacker position earlier in the spring, but the team had held off until Monday.

“They mentioned it (earlier), but they never said who it was going to be,” Coleman said. “This could benefit me a lot. I’m closer to the line. I like to tackle.”

New defensive coordinator John Chavis has converted safeties to the role of Sam (strongside) linebacker during his long, successful run at Tennessee."

Published: Apr 14, 2009


You're obviously wrong. Not trying to be rude but your gripe about scheme should have no affect on the coaches' LB recruiting rating, since they are recruiting for what they want. You are the one who said you're trying to be objective....I'm trying to help you (even though objectivity is impossible)

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I don't feel there are many elite playmakers in the names you mentioned. Obviously I know the coaches' opinions hold much more water than mine, and I have no doubt Chavis could mold them into something serviceable I just get giddy thinking about what he could do with someone like Anthony or Steward.

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That is your opinion and I can respect that. I believe that Chavis is a premiere LB coach and that at least a few of these guys will emerge as good SEC LBs.

As an aside I think it would be wise to look at the amount of top 5 (nationally) LSU defenses since 2001 and you will not find almost any big name LBs. At least not when they arrived.

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This is a good way to set a strong edge, but it leaves your interior vulnerable.

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Not with superior DT play, and Chavis likes to stop the run with numbers. Every defense has its weaknesses.

Your starting to bury your original argument. I've had to many cocktails, so I'm not even going to attempt to logically follow this argument from the start, but I think it started out how our coaches dropped the ball by not landing certain LB recruits. It just seems to me like if these type recruits are so difficult to land (so difficult, that Chavis has had to alter his coaching style over the years) that maybe our coaches didn't lay such an egg after all by not signing them. I have absolutley no desire to re-read this entire argument to nit pick, but that's just my once over intial impression.

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He can't be worse than Crowton

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You do realize crowton does zero recuiting. I was actually surprised he was out recruiting mettenberger. Prob last ditch effort to save his job. Any one who recruits would be an upgrade from crowton.

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Good thing no coach has ever been wrong! And like I said, this constant need to move safeties to OLB has really hurt us at times on defense.

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Ok so what do you propose? Fire the DC? So you are blaming the coaches for trying to get players that fit the system they want to run?

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Right. LSU signed Peterson because Clemson didn't put in the effort. They had a great shot with him but decided to focus their efforts elsewhere. Also on your "effort" argument, Clemson is much closer to Florida and they recruit there constantly so would you really make the argument that they would put in less effort for a Florida kid than LSU would?

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This is so stupid. Les miles got the best player out of florida that year. And i bet they put shite ton of "effort" into that. Oh and guess what? we had two sr cb's. So once again the coaches filled a glaring need getting peterson.


Some people will never be happy. Last year it was we werent getting enough guys from Louisiana, this year we got too many? WTF?

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This is so stupid. Les miles got the best player out of florida that year. And i bet they put shite ton of "effort" into that. Oh and guess what? we had two sr cb's. So once again the coaches filled a glaring need getting peterson.

Some people will never be happy. Last year it was we werent getting enough guys from Louisiana, this year we got too many? WTF?

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You need reading comprehension classes. I was trying to say that they did have to put a ton of effort into getting Peterson out of Florida. The poster was saying you can't compare the teams because you can't quantify how much effort each put into getting certain players, and I was saying LSU took studs out of Florida not scrubs and had to put as much effort into them as any team.

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If Frank Wilson was named THE recruiter of the year, I would have to assume that gets an A+ grade.

What grade did the other coaches get to "average" a C grade?

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second...how can an b-/C recruiting job bring in an A/A- class...

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Some people are not going to give Les credit no matter what.

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Let's be honest there are simply some states that are easier to recruit to than others. A state like Louisiana where you have a continent-sized amount of talent and studs everywhere plus only one flagship school is basically a recruiting Casino where you're Rainman.

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Let me guess. You weren't a fan before 2000, were you?

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South Carolina didn't produce a single 5 star this year whereas Louisiana produced 3

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Clowney says hello.
And FYI, according to Rivals:
Louisiana had 3 five stars in 2011, 0 five stars in 2010, 3 in 2009, 0 in 2008, 2 in 2007 and 1 in 2006.
South Carolina had 1 in 2006, 1 in 2007, 2 in 2008, 0 in 2009, 1 in 2010 and 1 in 2011.*

That's a difference of 3 five stars in 6 years. I think the biggest difference is the depth of 4 stars.


*(These include A.J. Green, Carlos Dunlap, DaQuan Bowers, Marcus Lattimore and Jadeveon Clowney)

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The saving graces of this coaching staff when it comes to recruiting are Wilson and Cooper.

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I think Gonzo and Stud are also considered top notch recruiters. Don't overlook Miles though. He can close the deal as well as any head coach.

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I mentioned that this was one of the deepest LB classes in a long time.

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Not in Louisiana. We tried to go out of state, and got one of the four. The other LBers stayed close to home. Can't complain about that too much.

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My second critique is our move away from East Texas. I don't know who was supposed to be recruiting this area but they severely dropped the ball this year (and of all the years to do-so). I know there's tons of recruits in Florida but it's so much farther and there's not the LSU contingent like there is in East Texas.

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Such as who? We got Randle and Jenkins. Besides Collins, Mett, Rivers and Hairston, everyone else is from Louisiana. Who did you want from East Texas (who didn't sign with Texas, aTm or OU) and who would you have dropped?