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Moko response-Current OL situation
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:18 pm
Can we hear some particulars on the players?
"You get Moko in the building and let him learn for a year and adjust to the speed of the game and then you could have a very good starting RT for 3 years."
Maybe we should give the same consideration to Dumervil, Martinez, and maybe Hill. Bradford has had more time but his great feet---and a necessary loss of 30lb---could make him the above mentioned starting RT. When he played, Martinez looked comfortable/confident and performed at the speed of the game---a big positive from a true freshman.
Hines at 330 is a different player than now. Many problems were caused by incorrect calls by Shanny. Expect that to be corrected. Did anyone else notice Wire playing LG inside of Dare? I like what he showed when thrown into the fire at LT. Whether included w/OL or not---Joseph Evans is a damn good football player.
Wilson should be ready to play. Dellinger and Kiko will get a shot to contribute right away. Will they need the year to get up to speed?
I'm not forgetting Turner and Thomas. Didn't see any of Turner. Thomas---unlike Martinez---was tentative and unsure of himself. Did anyone else notice he looked shorter than advertised? More than even Bradford, this dude needs to drop 20-30lbs to be any kind of contributor.
Hopefully, Leigh comes here and is a stud starter from day 1. Short of him being the second coming of A. Whitworth, Moko---if he comes here---would need time to acclimate.
Apparently, next year's HS in state OL class is the best in years so it's odds on we pull at least 2 of the guys we really want.
Look, busting the Coaches chops isn't a black/white issue. Every Coach, Boss, Manager, Supervisor, or anyone in a position of responsibility knows that the player, salesman, technician, etc... who performs best is the one who can take what he learns, internalize it to the point of being second nature, and---most importantly---EXECUTE IT ON THE FIELD! Is recruiting this type of player imperative? Of course. Maybe if you want to bust chops, that is where some fault could be laid but the problem that comes into play is you can't win without talented players and for the most part these kids have been able to perform at an elite HS level on sheer physicality.
Obviously, I'm not as pessimistic about our current/future OL situation as some of the other posters.
I'll borrow something from Professional Baseball (my world) that applies to all athletes but spare you their lengthy explanations.
We want Players who are or can develop into being:
1) RELENTLESSLY COMPETENT to ABOVE AVERAGE at their position(s).
2) OCCASIONALLY EXCELLENT at their positon(s).
Now, with all that being said---let the downvotes begin!
Quote is from:
N2daWild. Post titled "Moko" further down.
New to this. Now I get it on the length. I certainly wasn't trying to challenge any attention spans.
Don't know why I got the idea that there would be an abundance of in-state OL talent in this next cycle. That appears to be wrong. The big dude from Neville and the interior guy from Mobile look like a great start though.
"You get Moko in the building and let him learn for a year and adjust to the speed of the game and then you could have a very good starting RT for 3 years."
Maybe we should give the same consideration to Dumervil, Martinez, and maybe Hill. Bradford has had more time but his great feet---and a necessary loss of 30lb---could make him the above mentioned starting RT. When he played, Martinez looked comfortable/confident and performed at the speed of the game---a big positive from a true freshman.
Hines at 330 is a different player than now. Many problems were caused by incorrect calls by Shanny. Expect that to be corrected. Did anyone else notice Wire playing LG inside of Dare? I like what he showed when thrown into the fire at LT. Whether included w/OL or not---Joseph Evans is a damn good football player.
Wilson should be ready to play. Dellinger and Kiko will get a shot to contribute right away. Will they need the year to get up to speed?
I'm not forgetting Turner and Thomas. Didn't see any of Turner. Thomas---unlike Martinez---was tentative and unsure of himself. Did anyone else notice he looked shorter than advertised? More than even Bradford, this dude needs to drop 20-30lbs to be any kind of contributor.
Hopefully, Leigh comes here and is a stud starter from day 1. Short of him being the second coming of A. Whitworth, Moko---if he comes here---would need time to acclimate.
Apparently, next year's HS in state OL class is the best in years so it's odds on we pull at least 2 of the guys we really want.
Look, busting the Coaches chops isn't a black/white issue. Every Coach, Boss, Manager, Supervisor, or anyone in a position of responsibility knows that the player, salesman, technician, etc... who performs best is the one who can take what he learns, internalize it to the point of being second nature, and---most importantly---EXECUTE IT ON THE FIELD! Is recruiting this type of player imperative? Of course. Maybe if you want to bust chops, that is where some fault could be laid but the problem that comes into play is you can't win without talented players and for the most part these kids have been able to perform at an elite HS level on sheer physicality.
Obviously, I'm not as pessimistic about our current/future OL situation as some of the other posters.
I'll borrow something from Professional Baseball (my world) that applies to all athletes but spare you their lengthy explanations.
We want Players who are or can develop into being:
1) RELENTLESSLY COMPETENT to ABOVE AVERAGE at their position(s).
2) OCCASIONALLY EXCELLENT at their positon(s).
Now, with all that being said---let the downvotes begin!
Quote is from:
N2daWild. Post titled "Moko" further down.
New to this. Now I get it on the length. I certainly wasn't trying to challenge any attention spans.
Don't know why I got the idea that there would be an abundance of in-state OL talent in this next cycle. That appears to be wrong. The big dude from Neville and the interior guy from Mobile look like a great start though.
This post was edited on 1/1/21 at 7:45 am
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Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:23 pm to Damathe
quote:
"You get Moko in the building and let him learn for a year and adjust to the speed of the game and then you could have a very good starting RT for 3 years."
Whose quote is this?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:28 pm to Damathe
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:30 pm to Damathe
I'm not going to read all that
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:31 pm to Damathe
quote:
Bradford has had more time but his great feet---and a necessary loss of 30lb---could make him the above mentioned starting RT.
I may be wrong but I am fairly certain he was a RT for a moment.
You could say the same for Thomas Perry (eta)
I wish we’d find the 6-5 and taller guys that can play tackle and let the 6-4 and shorter guys get better leverage on the nose tackles out there. I think a a guy like Kam Dewberry should move inside to be a dominant pass blocking guard.
But you have to play what they can play.
This post was edited on 12/31/20 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:36 pm to Damathe
Mind telling us who said this? Do you by chance have a link?
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:38 pm to Damathe
Congratulations or Sorry that happened. (Whichever one, not reading all of that)
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:58 pm to BayouCowboy
N2daWild. Post titled "Moko" further down.
New to this. Now I get it on the length. I certainly wasn't trying to challenge any attention spans.
New to this. Now I get it on the length. I certainly wasn't trying to challenge any attention spans.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 3:58 pm to Damathe
Mojo is a project.
He is raw, he isn’t helping soon.
He is raw, he isn’t helping soon.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:00 pm to Damathe
Downvoting due to length of this post 
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:01 pm to TheShoeOfKoleTaylor
N2daWild. Post titled "Moko" further down.
New to this. Now I get it on the length. I certainly wasn't trying to challenge any attention spans.
New to this. Now I get it on the length. I certainly wasn't trying to challenge any attention spans.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:18 pm to Damathe
Too long to read. Good Luck
Posted on 12/31/20 at 4:55 pm to Damathe
There is a coterie of mouth breathers on here who haven’t read more than to lines in their lives. Good post. 
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:24 pm to Penrod
Seriously.
The way he set it up is weird but why even post of the topic if you aren't going to read it
The way he set it up is weird but why even post of the topic if you aren't going to read it
Posted on 12/31/20 at 5:47 pm to Penrod
quote:
There is a coterie of mouth breathers on here who haven’t read more than to lines in their lives. Good post.
It’s a weird case study in my opinion. They are actually posting in the thread that is too long for them to read.
Almost like they are teaching you a lesson in what the par length of a post should be. Like “yeah, I told him, didn’t I?”
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:05 pm to Damathe
You're assuming we get Wilson and Moko. That is very much in doubt. I know some are saying Wilson is in but I've heard there are concerns about whether or not he has the strength to play tackle in the SEC and might not be a take.
Moko is far from a slam dunk. With due respect to the crystal balls and other predictions I say look out for Oregon on this one.
Moko is far from a slam dunk. With due respect to the crystal balls and other predictions I say look out for Oregon on this one.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 6:46 pm to RichardT
I thought we were looking at Wilson at guard.
I would have big questions about him making a contribution at OT in the SEC immediately too.
I would have big questions about him making a contribution at OT in the SEC immediately too.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 7:08 pm to dstone12
Having to suffer fools from time to time is unavoidable nowadays.
Posted on 12/31/20 at 9:57 pm to Damathe
I really think the biggest issue with the OL this year was the young, talented guys sat on their asses and just got too far and lazy during Spring when they would have been working out. I do not feel talent is a huge issue and that if 2021 can start with a normal spring practice period and continue from there, we're going to see these guys do well. The guys they have just don't seem to hold themselves to a higher level of personal accountability and there's really not much you can do about it when you have to trust them to keep themselves in shape.
Posted on 1/1/21 at 1:52 am to RichardT
quote:I think the concerns on Wilson are warranted. However, he's not as far away as from being where he would need to be as most think. I.e., IMHO is a take and doesn't have as far to go as some fear.
You're assuming we get Wilson and Moko. That is very much in doubt. I know some are saying Wilson is in but I've heard there are concerns about whether or not he has the strength to play tackle in the SEC and might not be a take.
But, there's a little bit of domino theory here all waiting on Leigh and his announcement on the 2nd. Ty Crawford and Wilson will depend on him.
Crawford is a little bit bitter about us not taking him previously. In the end, he made the grades and qualified. FSU and UF are after him hard, seems Arky too. We've been in contact. If Leigh falls through this is the next phone call.
Unknown: Is the UF interest in Ty because they know they are not in play for Leigh?
I think it has no bearing on it one way or the other. I think he's a desirable OT and that's the end of it.
If Leigh has picked us, we are less appealing to Crawford and Wilson comes into play more strongly with Kimo having committed and Liam returning.
The idea fostered here that we are out of it for Leigh is a head scratcher for me. I do think we lost ground, but not enough to fall to 3rd. He said all along he wanted his visits and he had his timetable and was sticking to it. He made his decision a while back, went quiet to a degree, and just "enjoyed the process" as much as he could with the messed up year. The idea that since he didn't announce or sign earlier (which he said he wasn't going to do all along) mean he is OU bound just doesn't apply. Look at it this way... if you are an OU coach he didn't visit again, announce, or sign with you. Does that mean he is LSU bound? Why is it uni-directional that is only bad for LSU. Tigerdroppings is why; not reality.
Does that mean I think he is all LSU? No. But I think he decided in early Dec. and unless something has changed his mind that we have a better chance than OU.
Unknown: Is the fact we are still considering/working on Wilson and have made recent contact (or attempted to) with Ty Crawford and indicator the staff isn't confident in Leigh?Yes indeed. I think that is exactly what it is. I think it is bet hedging waiting on Leigh just in case. If staff thought we were completely out of it for Leigh the pursuit of Wilson/Crawford would look very different.
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