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LSU loaded up and to criticize this class shows you're ignorant to recruiting

Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:19 pm
Posted by Smell the crawfish
In enemy territory
Member since Nov 2018
1542 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:19 pm
It's easy to tell who knows what they're talking about and who has no clue about recruiting. First, LSU's class is absolutely loaded and going to get better. If you finish in the top 10 in recruiting, you had an incredible year! If you finish 10 to 20, you still had an outstanding signing day. Those 21-35 still very good.

The first thing you have to understand is college football and recruiting have absolutely nothing to do with college when you're talking about the elite players in the country. It's about winning at all cost, period. What you see on signing day is window dressing.

The real story is what you don't see. By the time a recruit is ready to sign on the dotted line, the schools have exhausted every avenue thinkable. They've dealt with street agents, so-called "uncles" or "advisers, close relatives, girlfriends and parents to name just a few. Money, cars, houses and jobs and just about anything you can think of has been discussed and sometimes delivered to some recruits. Even then, that doesn't guarantee you're going to get that recruit.

The reality is recruiting is a dirty and filthy game and sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I've read where some so-called fans were criticizing Coach O for missing on some recruits. That's ludicrous! They currently have 3 5-star players and the possibility of adding one or two more! It's not uncommon for a recruit to tell a coach he's coming and he ends up not coming. It's just part of the game. Even if you get them to sign that doesn't mean they're going to stay.

For instance, Alabama's top ranked signed recruit from last year's class is now at Colorado less than a year later. It's recruiting. You give it your best shot and you let your chips fall where they may.

The general rule in recruiting is if a team can have 60 percent of it recruiting class become contributing players, then you've hit a home run. The reality is many recruits will never pan out and never see the field for one reason or another. It's recruiting.

I read yesterday where Vol was taking a break from posting because of some of the idiots on this site. It's clear Vol knows what he is talking about and has inside connections to great information. A few years ago, I had contact with many inside sources to certain programs, but I am no longer in that field, but I still touch base will a few contacts here and there.

My point is you have to really understand the recruiting process to understand that LSU had a phenomenal signing day yesterday that is only going to get better. To criticize Coach O and the staff shows you have no clue what you're talking about.

OK, now the normal idiots can leave their stupid little responses!
Posted by LsuTool
Member since Oct 2009
34848 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:20 pm to
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If you finish 10 to 20, you still had an outstanding signing day.



If the outback bowl is your ultimate goal maybe
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
Member since Sep 2017
29487 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:22 pm to
Sir, this is wendys
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5903 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:31 pm to
Please, would people stop posting threads about everyone being "ignorant" to recruiting, just because there were a couple of things people are disappointed about, and please stop feeling sorry for "Vol" because people finally realized that all he does is copy what he reads on pay sites, and acts as though he is out recruiting with the staff.

I didn't read anything from ANY of the so-called "insiders" on this board that I didn't hear on the radio from the recruiting analysts, themselves. Nothing happened in terms of anyone who signed that was unexpected, and the flips that were not expected, we were told by these "insiders" not to worry, and that any rumors of a flip were just that... Rumors. And so now that a couple of them DID flip, the excuse is that no one knows what these kids will do.

Ya don't say? It takes an insider to figure that out? Enough, already. Let's all just move on.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 7:33 pm
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
14790 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:35 pm to
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This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 9:15 am
Posted by tigertex1992
Houston
Member since Apr 2014
1863 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:40 pm to
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Let's all just move on.


You’ve clearly not moved on if you are still pouting over recruits flipping and hiding it by blaming the people who were feeding us inside info on what the staff was thinking. You are expecting them to not only be mind readers but mind controllers. Grow up.
Posted by itig19
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2008
410 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:42 pm to
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My point is you have to really understand the recruiting process to understand that LSU had a phenomenal signing day yesterday that is only going to get better. To criticize Coach O and the staff shows you have no clue what you're talking about.


Most people that actually follow this board know this. You are talking to people that have since left this board and only visit on signing day(basically jackasses). Also; I appreciate and respect your effort but no one is going to read all that aside from a few.
Posted by BayouCatFan
Member since Jul 2008
4580 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:43 pm to
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Please, would people stop posting threads about everyone being "ignorant" to recruiting, just because there were a couple of things people are disappointed about, and please stop feeling sorry for "Vol" because people finally realized that all he does is copy what he reads on pay sites, and acts as though he is out recruiting with the staff.

I didn't read anything from ANY of the so-called "insiders" on this board that I didn't hear on the radio from the recruiting analysts, themselves. Nothing happened in terms of anyone who signed that was unexpected, and the flips that were not expected, we were told by these "insiders" not to worry, and that any rumors of a flip were just that... Rumors. And so now that a couple of them DID flip, the excuse is that no one knows what these kids will do.

Ya don't say? It takes an insider to figure that out? Enough, already. Let's all just move on.




Yep. It wouldn't surprise me if someone from the pay sites purposely gave false info on Jarrett/Burton because they wanted to expose Vol for being a hack. About a year ago Jimmy posted on Twitter how a popular "insider" is a fake, but he never said names. I just assumed he was talking about someone from TD.
Posted by Coonass
Buckhead
Member since Sep 2005
2755 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:45 pm to
Is this where we say “ok boomer?”
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5903 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 7:57 pm to
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You’ve clearly not moved on if you are still pouting over recruits flipping and hiding it by blaming the people who were feeding us inside info on what the staff was thinking. You are expecting them to not only be mind readers but mind controllers. Grow up.




You clearly have an issue with comprehension. I'm not "pouting" over anything. What did I say about those guys, other than stating the FACT that they flipped? Did I disparage them? Did I say our class is wrecked because they aren't in it? No, I did not.

And further showing how you failed to even try to understand what I said, you claimed I'm "blaming" "insiders" for not being mind readers... Wrong. For multiple reasons. First, I never blamed anyone. Second, I didn't believe these guys were "insiders", to begin with, hence why I said "people finally figured out that he just copies what he reads on pay sites". Third, I didn't expect these "insiders" to read minds, because, once more, I did not believe they were insiders. I believed that they were reading pay sites, and pay sites are just opinions for a price. Unless you know a recruit, you don't have inside information.

What this class demonstrated about these "insiders" is that they are just members of the board who have opinions, like everyone else. They didn't have information that wasn't readily available. So, if you're going to pretend that you know everything, I don't feel sorry for you when people call you out.

But your response is exactly what I mentioned in my post about some people making the excuse that "no one knows what kids will do". Of course no one knows... That's exactly the point. If you don't personally know the recruit, you have no idea what he's thinking. You just have what is rumored on pay sites. At least own up to the fact that this is where you are getting your information. These "insiders" tried to paint themselves as being intimately in the know. And that's the problem I have with people like that. It has nothing to do with expecting them to get everything right. Why would I expect that, when I don't believe they are insiders? It's being a fraud that I have a problem with.

Maybe you'll try to read what I said this time.
This post was edited on 12/19/19 at 8:08 pm
Posted by M-Train
Chevy Chase, MD
Member since Dec 2003
248 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:08 pm to
Coaches fricked up this class
Posted by mojoey
Covington
Member since Sep 2013
1185 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:10 pm to
I'll just leave this here.

TE (the best ever)

OT (very highly rated top 100)

WR (very highly rated top 100)

DL (multiple very highly rated and a top 100)

DE (very highly rated, BJ)

ILB (multiple very highly rated and a top 100)

OLB ( a top 100)

CB (top player in the country)

S. (Top 100 player)








Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
30359 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:12 pm to
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:19 pm to
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If you finish in the top 10 in recruiting, you had an incredible year!

say what you want but we needed this class to be amazing. as of right now we are averaging the 5th best class in the sec under O. it's got to start getting better if we are going to consistently challenge for the sec west.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
5903 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:19 pm to
Not sure why you replied to me with that. I'm not disputing it's a very good class. I'm just tired of the sanctimony being posted all over the place.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:20 pm to
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The general rule in recruiting is if a team can have 60 percent of it recruiting class become contributing players, then you've hit a home run.

a homerun is successfully contributing.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:21 pm to
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criticize Coach O and the staff shows you have no clue what you're talking about. 

Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11181 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:27 pm to
This is a great class. People can still be disappointed that it could have been better, though. The Jarrett and Burton flips were a bummer.

That said, I think it's a blessing in disguise. I was never in favor of a 4 WR class, but they're all so good I figured you just had to take them all. The class will have better balance now and more flexibility to take a transfer, slight grade risk, or roll it over to next year.

The biggest anger seems to be coming from people who feel like we "processed" guys for nothing. I think this is a fair position for someone to take. I don't agree with it, but time will certainly tell. Also, we can't be sure Burns and Lee would have even made it in the class without the flips and missing on Burch. From what I've read, O told Burns he was worried he was going to get buried in the depth chart for a couple of years. Would he have said this if he wasn't trying to make room? Nobody really knows, but I wouldn't rule it out. Recruits and their families are always saying how up front O is with them.
Posted by Corch Frederica Wils
A world of hurt
Member since Aug 2019
285 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:28 pm to
Agree

Posted by alumni95
Member since Jun 2004
7587 posts
Posted on 12/19/19 at 8:53 pm to
Cliffs anyone?

Maybe I’ll just wait until the movie comes out on Netflix
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