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Posted by tlricks04
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:32 pm to
Is Nibbs injured? In the video of Kai’s vault, she’s sitting down and it looks like a scooter is beside her.
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
636 posts
Posted on 12/3/21 at 10:41 pm to
yes she is. A friend of mine who was there also said she is in a boot and has crutches
Posted by East Texas Tiger 99
East Texas
Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 12/4/21 at 12:05 am to
She was injured warming up tonite. Did not look good and she came back out in a boot.
Posted by BigB0882
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 12/4/21 at 1:02 pm to
I ran into Courtney McCool Griffeth at the grocery store today and worked up the nerve to go talk to her. I told her we were all so happy to have her here and that I was a huge fan during her elite days. She was extremely nice and appreciative. Can’t wait to see what they bring to the team!
Posted by jpylan1
Member since Oct 2008
138 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 2:43 pm to
That's awesome BigB!

I thought it would be fun to see what Jay’s lineups would have looked like had 101 been an actual meet and every athlete was healthy. For those that don’t know, you normally stack rank your lineups 1-6 (meaning you compete your top 6 athletes and use strategy to set your competition order), and then stack rank your alternates, however many you have. As your lineups change, you normally just insert your highest ranked alternate into the vacant position, this allows you to keep your existing athletes in their normal routine of the predetermined lineup. Again, take it with a grain of salt because this is ‘normally’ how you do it. No idea what Jay did, but for this activity, let’s make that reasonable assumption. Here’s what our lineups would have looked like last night.

Vault –

Incredibly straight forward here – no one that is expected to be in this lineup was missing, and this will probably be Jan 7th lineup. Your six you want to compete: Arenas, KJ, Alyona, Edwards, Kiya and Haleigh and in that order (possibly sliding around KJ depending on what she competes.) Then your next two are stack ranked, Chase and Kai. They’re incredibly close, but I would also place Chase slightly above Kai just because of her dynamics off the table. It just rises a little more than Kai, but Kai also has beautiful body positions, it’s so close, but I would put Chase into that lineup first considering they both have a high chance of sticking.

Bars –

Again, pretty straight forward. The one athlete you would expect to be here is Livvy, which looks like Jay inserted Elena into her position. Had Jay had his choice of lineup here, I think it would have been Kiya, Kai, Olivia, Haleigh, Alyona and Sami. Stack rank of your alternates would be Elena, Aleah, Ryan, and Chase. If this is stacked, I’m happy to see Elena at the top, but surprised Chase would be at the bottom of that list, but again, no idea how she performed in practice all week.

Beam –

Here’s where things start to get messy. Missing from this lineup would be Desiderio and Campbell, which I really think if Jay had his lineup, those two would be in it. So, if we look at his starting 6 last night, Elena, Aleah, Sami, Kiya, Dean and Haleigh, two of those 6 are possibly in for Desiderio and Campbell… but who are they? 98% confident an obvious alternate would be Elena in for Christina in that lead off, less obvious, where would Campbell had fallen in this lineup? Is she still the anchor, if so, that would mean Haleigh was in for her? I don’t think Reagan holds onto that anchor spot this year, I think we see HB in that 6th spot because she might be heir to the anchor position. So, who is in for Reagan, or is anyone? I think Sami is actually that 2nd alternate in the lineup. Meaning, if Jay had his perfect lineup last night, it would have been Christina, Aleah, Reagan, Kiya, Dean and Haleigh with alternates stack ranked Elena, Sami, Kai and Alyona. This makes pretty good sense to me and that’s a STACKED beam lineup.

Floor –

This is probably the hardest one to look at it and figure out what the poop is going on. Two starters from NCAA Semi’s are missing (there’s 3 but we’ll get to that) in Kiya and Christina. This would make sense with Kiya’s achilles and most likely the flu for Christina. Let’s look at the lineup last night, Sarah, Elena, KJ, Alyona, Aleah and HB. Traditional knowledge would say Aleah is in for Kiya, makes sense, but then who is in for Christina? Is it Sarah, did Elena just solidify the #2 spot for last night’s competition or would Christina possibly slide back further in the lineup this year and is KJ possibly in for her? My thoughts, KJ made that lineup last night, and Sarah subbed in for Christina. So, to stack rank your alternates, you have Sarah, Aleah, and Sierra. Sierra is interesting… I’m slightly surprised she’s not in the top 6 here, but I can also see it. Sierra is great, and I LOVE seeing her perform on floor, but she is a threat to go OOBs on two of her 3 passes, but she’s also proven she can go 9.90+.

So, I get to this point, look at this rotation, and I begin to doubt did Jay stack rank his team through the entire meet? I still think he did… given his best lineup, I think Jay goes Christina, Elena, KJ, Alyona, Kiya and HB. Interesting again, HB in that anchor position… but again, I think you can interchange Kiya and HB in that 6th spot and most likely they match the same scores in any order.

If you’ve read this far, remember, I’m just projecting out had Jay had his best lineup last night, not necessarily his best lineup in April 2022 or even January 2022 for that matter. SOO much will change by then, but just interesting to see the little nuances and try to read between the lines a little. There’s still the Livvy factor, would she have been in the beam or floor lineup? Did someone just not have a strong week of practice which caused them to drop a little? All kinds of things could have happened, but I also know we have some people on this thread that don’t have a lot of knowledge around the strategy of lineups, and thought it would be fun to show them what Jay MIGHT have been thinking.

For what it’s worth, my guess of lineups had Jay had every athlete available last night:

Vault: Arenas, KJ, Alyona, Edwards, Kiya and Haleigh
Bars: Kiya, Kai, Olivia, Haleigh, Alyona and Sami.
Beam: Christina, Aleah, Reagan, Kiya, Dean and Haleigh
Floor: Christina, Elena, KJ, Alyona, Kiya and Haleigh
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 3:03 pm
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
739 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:27 pm to
Very good summary jpylan!

Here are some of my overall thoughts from last night as well.

First - I think, even with people missing because of the flu/colds/whatever, this was maybe the most prepared I have seen them at Gym 101 in the last three years (like maybe since 2017?). At the same time, nothing was perfect (like I saw some sticks from some of the other previews last night, and now is not the time to be going for vault sticks, etc). This gives me some good hope that we have had a good preseason, we can start relatively strong (stronger than in the last three years) and then maybe really peak when we need to at the end. All in all I was very encouraged! (And also, it was so great to be back in the PMAC!)

Now on to some specific thoughts:

Vault: Here, and I think its coming, but we really need to focus on the 10.0 vaults. I think we only had three in the lineup last night. Of course, the plan is for Kiya to compete one and KJ as well. I just really wish we could get a good sixth consistent 10.0 vault. I was a little concerned about Edwards here (and I so want her to have a good season! and get some sticks). It looks like she is trying to work out that over rotational step it seems like she has learned into the vault, but sat it down twice, kind of lock-legged. She didn't appear hurt or anything, I just don't want her to get hurt, since that is a vault we need. Elena's full is still excellent if we have to use one.

Bars: So, first to the dismounts of it all, and to give credit where credit is due, Alyona's dismount is still crazy, but does look improved, so that's good. They are also talking about her adding in the maloney half to her routine. I wonder about that - she doesn't need to do and it is just an opportunity for more deductions, so we'll see how that goes. Also, Haleigh did the half out - doesn't look super comfortable for her yet, but I know its worth it and I am so glad they showed it. Kiya looked great, and I thought Kai looked good - honestly less labored than when we last saw her on bars in 2020. I think Aleah cracks the lineup at some point, much like sarah, her lines are just good. I thought elena looked really good even though she might be first alternate (and fell on her first go). I was surprised by Ryan being a fairly high alternate, but I think with her overshoot (and not bail to handstand), we are highly unlikely to ever see it in actual competition. I am glad for the depth though. Sami looked great and her dismount looks awesome. I thought livvy also looked pretty good and her half pirouette on the low bar seemed better.

Beam - This beam lineupt gives me hope.
I do disagree with one thing - that is that HB is the heir apparent to the anchor. I am not sure about that - I think Aleah is the obvious heir apparent. Her routine last night was honestly flawless in the way that only Finnegan (or GAGE maybe) routines can be. I thought Elena did pretty good for her first time out as the leadoff and can see that being a good thing to develop for her. Sami again came with the inconsistency and I think that Jpylan is right when she won't maintain her spot in the line up - and I think its for the best. Dean was a rock as always and I hope she has a great season. I agree Reagan should not be the anchor, so I will be curious to see if she is able to practice enough to get into the lineup. All-in-all there were many fewer rotating leaps and I think that will help us so much in terms of scoring and consistency. I think we can see a lot of improvement here!

Floor:
I agree it is kind of hard to tell what was going on on floor with incomplete routines and no real attempt at sticking landings. However, I think if she is consistent enough, Aleah should absolutely be in this group. Also, I think KJ will be a STAR. Hers was probably my favorite routine of the night. Haleigh looked great (of course) and I am glad we are resting and being smart with Kiya. I hope she can pull an Alex McMurtry and come in blazing for tens in the back half of the season. I think Alyona will be good for us as well, and can hopefully gain additional consistency this year. I also thought Elena looked pretty good on floor. I think BAllard's DLO looks a little labored and she had some consistently short landings on it - so that's something to look at. She is a great performer though, so hopefully she'll get her chances.

All-in-all - I thought it was great and I think we might actually have a shot at it this year. Admittedly, I had been a little down give Oklahoma's perennial success, our subpar performance last year, Michigan's win, and ALL the elites that Florida has, but I think this team will be one of our best in the last several years!





Posted by khill715
Sterlington
Member since May 2019
761 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 4:31 pm to
I see Aleah making more than 1 lineup and kiya being out of floor more often than not and maybe even beam. I think Jay will try to rest her as much as possible until post season. We have a lot of depth this year and I think Jay takes advantage.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67866 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 5:15 pm to
Lineups you see the first week or two is going to look very different than what we see in March.

IMO I see Aleah having a role similar to what Sarah did her freshmen season, being a staple on two or three events her freshmen season before moving into the AA moving forward. I think she's going to be locked into beam and floor. As she gets more reps on vault and bars I think she can contribute here as well.

We have a crazy amount of depth so I expect lineups to fluctuate a bit at times.

Jay did mention a lot of kids are coming back from surgeries and other minor clean up procedures so many kids will be in and out of lineups being paced to maintain their health early on.
This post was edited on 12/4/21 at 5:35 pm
Posted by jpylan1
Member since Oct 2008
138 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 7:45 pm to
Suni’s beam and bars from auburn intrasquad. Surely they won’t keep that series in her beam set.

Beam: LINK

Bars: LINK
Posted by khill715
Sterlington
Member since May 2019
761 posts
Posted on 12/4/21 at 9:52 pm to
Probably this season. Her name alone should afford her at least .10 of a point though. (Eye rolling judges)
Posted by jpylan1
Member since Oct 2008
138 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 12:58 am to
Again, don’t kill me because I’m always the Debbie Downer, but I’m not sure how many lineups Aleah is in this year come post season. Hear me out, she has a blind landing in every single routine, (EVERY SINGLE ONE) and she’s not someone known for sticking a landing like a yard dart. That’s a lot to ask from a freshman. I mean, look at her floor!! Every single pass is a blind landing!! Albeit, i still think she cracks the lineup in multiple events this year, but it’s going to come down to landing control of those front finishing landings. However, I think she starts 1/7 on beam and goes with a huge score.

If she can work the full out off of bars and get consistent in vault, i think she’s easily in those events. Her double Arabian is super easy for her on floor - it’s the other two passes that concern me the most… and really just the idea of having three blind landings in a routine… that’s a tough pill to swallow. Hopefully, they switch one out for a double tuck
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 1:12 am
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
636 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:19 am to
quote:

If she can work the full out off of bars and get consistent in vault, i think she’s easily in those events. Her double Arabian is super easy for her on floor - it’s the other two passes that concern me the most… and really just the idea of having three blind landings in a routine… that’s a tough pill to swallow


You are definitely being a debbie downer here lol. I think the fact that she has a stag jump and punch front out is her double arabian and 2.5 twist on floor respectively is actually going to help her control the landing better than if those two skills were in their own, also included in that is the fact that NCAA Gym allows for a controlled lunge or step out of each pass’s landing. Same thing goes for her 1.5 to front layout which is her last pass. As for her bars dismount, she no longer has a blind landing (Jay had her switch her dismount for college which is a smart choice) so I think she’ll be fine with handling a landing where she can see the ground rather than her double front she had in Elite. As for beam, she nearly stick the landing in a controlled manner yesterday. As long as she doesn’t overpower her 1.5 twist, she can stick it every time since it is an easier dismount than she had in elite along with a simpler cleaner routine than she had in elite. The only thing that concerns me is her hitting her triple series every time. I would love to see her in the AA, but our vault options are so wide spread that I don’t really see her 1.5 making a lineup consistently at least for another year unless Jay is choosing to rest someone and decides to let Aleah do the all around that meet the way he did with Sarah as a freshman year with regards to the floor lineup
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
739 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:27 am to
I agree generally with all of this. She has the potential to be 9.9+ on nearly everything and we’re going to need scores like those with all the big names floating around.

But since we are talking about dismounts - you’re right - she has switched to the full twisting double back, so she should be just as likely to stick that as anyone else and it looked pretty good last night.

Also re:beam - I sometimes dream of a lineup where everyone dismounts with an aerial+full twist - those seem easiest and easiest to stick. I have never understood why we kept reagan’s dismount especially give her whole injury/back situation
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 10:32 am
Posted by jpylan1
Member since Oct 2008
138 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:53 am to
Sorry lsugymfann… i almost didn’t post that, but at the same time, it worries me so much that i hope our coaches can make smart routine construction choices with her, because she is amazing!! I trust our coaches will make those right adjustments for her.

Personally, i wasn’t even close to 50/50 on blind landings, so when i see them, in any form, i cringe.
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 1:54 am
Posted by Twz
Member since Dec 2018
429 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 10:16 am to
Is Tori expected to contribute to lineups this year? I know she’s coming back from injury
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67866 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

I have never understood why we kept reagan’s dismount especially give her whole injury/back situation




I was always surprised they never changed this for her. Sometimes she would have flawless routines then the dismount happens. She doesnt stick it most of the time plus she has some small form on her twisting. I figured something more simple and less complex than a double twist may have helped her. I am hoping she can stay healthy enough and have a great year.

Just my opinion, the lineup on beam is going to come down to Desiderio, Campbell, Dean, Bryant, Aleah, Kiya and Dunne. I think Sami provides great depth but dont think this routine is consistent enough nor has the scoring capabilities as the others listed. Arenas is getting better although I think that routine is more a serviceable routine to throw out when needed than one we see in the post season. I think Alyona's scoring potential is out of this world on beam but its going to come down to consistency. We will see everyone on this event, so it will be interesting to see how it shakes out.
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
739 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 6:13 pm to
Here is the link to Spencer’s (From BBS) take on our season. I think it’s a pretty fair and balanced take - he has some inaccuracies, namely the work toward KJ’s double

LINK
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:09 pm to
You all will not believe this but CGN ranked LSU as the #1 most entertaining team to watch.

Link
Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
636 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 8:19 pm to
Also find it funny that he lists Bridget on the bars and floor options when Jay has already voiced they she’s limited to just beam this season. Same with Reagan with regards to floor. I also personally don’t expect to see Reagan much on beam this year. I love the work she does but with her back, and others who have been healthier and more consistent than her in the past, I only expect to see her on meet days where Jay decides to rest Kiya from that event. Also KJ I don’t think is even training beam but just vault and floor (according to what Jay has said she’ll contribute on for us). Also I think Sarah is more of a lock on floor for us than Alyona given that she has less built in deductions with her form, especially the toe point on her leaps, and especially if she has her double layout consistently back throughout the season.
This post was edited on 12/5/21 at 8:26 pm
Posted by russiangym
Member since Jan 2020
123 posts
Posted on 12/6/21 at 3:43 am to
I wouldn't give BBS too hard a time - he covers all the teams and can't be expected to watch each and every video a coach gives about a team. On the whole I thought his analysis was pretty good, aside from KJ's possible upgrade to a DTY s which he didn't mention and Campbell and Dean on other events.

Think Kiya will be rested quite a lot on leg events, so I would like to see some playing around with lineups to test the depth and see how routines get scored.
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