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Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:36 pm to
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:36 pm to
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Tigerfan great question. If it’s not working or they aren’t competent to make the skills in competition when it matters, what are the coaches doing? Take the skill out. Gymnastics is hard and these ladies have been doing the sport all their lives. I’m sure there are other options and plan b’s that should be in place.



asking questions because I dont know. But isnt it a huge no no to mess with a routine in the middle of a season? Also, if your routine is very basic and not that difficult dont you create a ceiling for your team. Basically yes will be better but other teams with higher skill will pass us up.

Any poster with the knowledge can answer these BTW
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:39 pm to
Thanks for a great post. U summed up basically my entire point. And btw, I love little Elena. She truly has been a joy to see grown and mature in front of us. I think she would be a better lead off than Kai who has a bit better form. I just think the pressure Kai feels as a leader for the team gets to her. Can’t have all the trials and injuries so far and a senior leader shaky in the first spot. My whole point is about the coaching. Last year I harped on Jay not utilizing depth. Understand everyone has to work hard but some people just don’t practice great and shocks you and performs better. When you use the same people we’re in a situation like this . A lot of sophomores and Chase are really freshman given no experience or barely any. Idk I harp on the coaching because if it was not needed what’s the point. Put the gymnast in the best possible position to succeed and grow.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 7:48 pm
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2022
124 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:44 pm to
U make no sense. So we’re 1-4 because of? Scoring, injuries . Seems to me u think we should have beat Arkansas last night. You were complaining about scoring. I pointed out all of the deductions that we had .
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
6153 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:48 pm to
Makes perfect sense. Yes we should have beat Arkansas last night. We performed better than they did but the scoring didnt reflect that. Funny you pointed out all LSU deductions but none of Arkansas's.

ETA: And when I was talking about you complaining, I meant the coaches. Hope that clears it up some.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 7:55 pm
Posted by Sofly225
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:49 pm to
We can agree to disagree.
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 7:50 pm to
Fair enough. None of this will be settled until the season is over with anyways.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 8:39 pm to
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asking questions because I dont know. But isnt it a huge no no to mess with a routine in the middle of a season? Also, if your routine is very basic and not that difficult dont you create a ceiling for your team. Basically yes will be better but other teams with higher skill will pass us up.

Any poster with the knowledge can answer these BTW



Teams adjust routines all the time in the middle of the season. But coaches aren't changing routines completely, they generally take out a skill completely (extra difficulty) or they downgrade (make it easier). Doing that isn't a big deal. They adjusted Haleighs floor routine the other year with zero issue.

Also I'm not advocating for everyone to do basic routines because one it would be boring, but also because we have skilled athletes capable of doing much more.

I think the thing you have to do is evaluate the athlete and what their skillset and abilities are on a particular event. Haleigh and Aleah in particular are very skilled but also clean with consistency on beam. So the extra difficulty in their routines on beam isn't bothersome as they are generally consistent and don't have general form issues others may have. Someone not as skilled, someone like Ballard or Kai, they would benefit from a more basic routine and work on meeting the minimum requirements. Having both do a switch half when they are clearly not close to hitting the split position isn't smart. Thats not a knock on the gymnasts, but everyone has things they do well and things they struggle with.


Truthfully the only event where anyone should be pushing the envelope is vault. Because generally the 10.0 vaults get rewarded much more than the normal full's, especially in post season. But when you get to beam and bars, heck probably even floor, the judges aren't as lenient despite having that extra difficulty.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 8:42 pm
Posted by lsutiger2
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:55 pm to
Thanks tigerbait for the response. A lot of what you said, makes sense. Question about Kai. I thought she was considered a highly touted gymnast coming out of JO?
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
739 posts
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:20 pm to
And an added point about difficulty - lsu. Has more than enough difficulty on beam without Kai or sierra doing those leaps. If you look at other top beam squads only a couple of their girls will have rotating leaps, where nearly all of ours do - I think that’s the thing, really keep it for those who can do it consistently and well and change it for those who can’t.

In reality lsu has some of the most difficult (if not the most difficult) routines in the ncaa from top to bottom on beam and floor. Other teams are doing much less difficult (esp on floor, cough cough, Oklahoma) with clean execution and getting rewarded for it. I hate that, because having witnessed Oklahoma’s floor rotation in person, it was pretty much a snooze fest other than ragan smith, but that’s the way ncaa is going. We would be smart to consider some of that for our team as well - what do they say, if you can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em?
Posted by russiangym
Member since Jan 2020
123 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:13 am to
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Question about Kai. I thought she was considered a highly touted gymnast coming out of JO?


Yeah she was a successful JO gymnast and there were expectations that she would be able to do multiple events. Beam is probably her weakest event actually due to form issues. She had good bars and was a powerful and dynamic vaulter and floor worker. However she has been set back by a chronic ankle injury, then an Achilles tear, and then with shoulder injuries. It's not what was expected but she is doing the best with her body now.
Posted by russiangym
Member since Jan 2020
123 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 6:17 am to
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Understand everyone has to work hard but some people just don’t practice great and shocks you and performs better.


Yeah I feel the same way. Which leads to another question: why don't we use exhibitions? Quite a lot of other teams do. It would be a good way to see if eg Cowan is ready on bars, or Tori on vault.

It just strikes me that Jay said Tori's club coaches said she competes a lot better than she trains. Jay also said Edney was similar. Well, if they had left Edney on the bench because she did not practice well, LSU would not have had the success that it had the entire time Edney was around. Maybe Tori is similar. You gotta give it a go to know.
Posted by LauraGB
Stavanger, Norway
Member since Nov 2007
424 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:13 am to
I agree! The options seem so limited now because of injuries. Jay has got to give more girls a chance. Are the exhibitions limited because of TV? I hope not. He should be taken full advantage of those opportunities.
Posted by LSUgymfan420
Member since Oct 2018
739 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:33 am to
I do think tv coverage is part of it - due to timing, I don’t believe exhibitions are allowed on either SEC network or ESPN. So, in that case, it’s hard to blame him, at least for the exhibition issue.
Posted by khill715
Sterlington
Member since May 2019
761 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 11:47 am to
Exhibitions are only allowed if it’s on sec+. But even then Jay has not been known to take advantage of them. I’m hoping with the way recruitment has changed , the girls we recruit will actually be healthy. I think we are still seeing some remnants of recruiting 12 year olds (Kai, Caitlin). Now they have to be 16 so we should know more heath wise what shape their bodies are in. Really love seeing some of our future tigers go down to level 10, as it seems to be easier on their bodies. I really worry about what Konnor will be like heath wise when she gets here. Also for along time we really recruited floor and bar workers while the utahs and Oklahomas were getting beam and bar workers. We really need to work on getting some of both. Alexis seems like she could be a great Beamer with her lines but I doubt we ever see it. I saw somewhere where Jay didn’t seem that upset after Friday night so…make of that what you will.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67866 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 12:10 pm to
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I agree! The options seem so limited now because of injuries. Jay has got to give more girls a chance. Are the exhibitions limited because of TV? I hope not. He should be taken full advantage of those opportunities.




If its televised on live TV (SECN, ESPN, ESPN2), then neither team is allowed to do exhibitions due to time constraints


If its streamed on SECN+ then they can
Posted by tlricks04
Member since Jan 2019
1206 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:06 pm to
Keep in mind that this was originally supposed to be a recruiting board. Maybe someone should make a separate forum in rants.
Posted by LSUgymfan247
Member since May 2021
36 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:22 pm to
Concerning recruiting: Chio continues to be a standout in level 10. She now has the highest 2 AA scores nationally this season. This weekend she scored 10 on vault, 9.95 on floor and 39.3 AA.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67866 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:26 pm to
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Concerning recruiting: Chio continues to be a standout in level 10. She now has the highest 2 AA scores nationally this season. This weekend she scored 10 on vault, 9.95 on floor and 39.3 AA.



Not to be selfish but they desperately could use her to come in early next year. We already have two of our elites deferring to 24

Coen I heard is still battling some injuries and the only other scholarship kid coming is Drayton. Plus we still have no clue how many of these seniors will come back or if they do come back but in a reduced role (health)

Posted by lsugymfann
Seattle
Member since Apr 2020
636 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 2:36 pm to
The 2 seniors I do hope come back next year are Cammy and Kiya. I would love to see Cammy compete as a Tiger at least once. As for Kiya, now that she’s torn both achilles and had them born repaired (her more recent one she actually probably didn’t need to since the body naturally would repair it over time), there’s an extremely low chance that she’ll rerupture either one (5% chance) so she’d be able to do her skills again without worrying as much about injury
Posted by SLIPSHITE
Doyline, LA
Member since Jul 2019
509 posts
Posted on 1/29/23 at 3:28 pm to
Would be nice but it takes MONTHS to make 20 pages do we really have enough posters to require more than one thread? I like to come to one spot to get my LSU gym info. Just my 2 cents. Nobody get angry please!
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