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re: LSU Baseball 2022 (and beyond) Recruiting Thread (OLD THREAD, PLEASE STICKY NEW ONE)

Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:23 pm to
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:23 pm to
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You don't hang onto a Merrifield over Cranford just because Merrifield is a +5.


Yes you do lol

Wut bro


Nothing you are saying is making sense. You are seriously over thinking this


I mean at the very bare minimum that is 5 guys you do not have to cut. That alone is reliving to the coach.

From a strategic standpoint those spots are very important with roster building
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:31 pm to
Skenes is the insurance at catcher that you need, even if he's primarily a pitcher. Milazzo and Neal should be fine but Milazzo is coming off of an injury and Neal is a freshman with other freshman.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:38 pm to
I'll just be a reader for awhile. I didn't realize how tough off season was to process.

You don't hang onto guys just because you won't have to cut them. You get the best guys in as you can then figure it out. If that means getting Cranford and Merrifield in, then cutting Merrifield bc Cranford is better...do it.
Posted by ccarrone0313
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:51 pm to
I think the argument he was making was that Cranford isn’t better than Merrifield unless I am just reading this all wrong lol
Posted by MikeTheTiger71
Member since Dec 2021
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 10:56 pm to
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You don't hang onto guys just because you won't have to cut them. You get the best guys in as you can then figure it out. If that means getting Cranford and Merrifield in, then cutting Merrifield bc Cranford is better...do it.


I think the part of this you are missing is that if you don’t have any +5 guys in your top 35, you can’t just keep the 36th best player because he’s better than a +5 guy. You can only add +5 guys at that point. The calculus on this is really pretty simple. You figure out who your 40 best players are and try to keep those first. If at least 5 of them are +5 guys, then you’re done with roster building. If you don’t have 5 guys who are +5, then you have to cut back until you have only 35 who aren’t +5. At that point, you can add back some +5 guys who weren’t in your original top 40. That means you might end up keeping some +5 guys who aren’t as good as some other players who aren’t +5. You don’t cut a Cranford to make room for a Merrifield. You just keep a Merrifield because there is extra room for him not available for a Cranford.
Posted by Naptime
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Posted on 7/20/22 at 11:13 pm to
I think someone might be on the sauce tonight!
Posted by smoke225
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:21 am to
Im under the impression that you have been huffing paint the last few days to cope with your constant melting. You are clueless and talking out the side of your neck.
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 5:24 am to
Cranford vs Merrifield is irrelevant. 1 counts against the 35 and 1 doesnt. Only way Merrifield is in trouble is if Jay goes back to the portal and grabs multiple covid year sr. Which again has nothing to do with Cranford. I don’t think Jay will be concentrating on the portal to add multiple covid year sr. Not sure if they even have multiple covid year sr inthe portal worth going after. Most of them is already with a team or went inthe draft.

Plus, why would Cranford come back from the portal to be insurance and a backup for depth. I’m sure the reason he got in the portal in the first place is to go find a place he can get some playing time to finish his career. That won’t be at LSU.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 5:32 am
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10016 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:37 am to
Let's say Young doesn't come. You have 3 choices for infield help. Roster spot, redshirt, plus 5 guy. If you choose a roster spot guy (Cranford), that changes how you choose to structure your redshirts and plus 5 guys. Meaning, maybe you choose to redshirt more pitchers and fill your plus 5 pool with covid senior pitchers. That would mean Merrifield might not fit. And, yes, you could choose to do nothing about the infield and just sit on who you already have as plus 5 guys, too.

We can do the same exercise with Skenes, and a Skenes/Young combo.

The point is that every move changes how you structure other areas. And, the strength of the structure requires alot of options and some tough decisions. Merrifield isn't safe just because he's a plus 5 guy and we don't even have 5 yet. It depends what happens with Young and Skenes and the structure of the roster.
Posted by josh336
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:47 am to
Id argue merrifield is pretty safe if young were to sign
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:49 am to
Merrifield's status doesn't really depend of Young and Skenes, because they aren't covid seniors. Merrifield can only be affected by the addition of not one, but two covid seniors, which would then force a decision on who among the 6 covid seniors, at that point, would have to go. Every other roster decision exists completely separately from that. It's unlikely that there is any covid senior worth adding, let alone 2, at this point.

If, somehow, better options avail themselves, then I'm sure LSU would do what they had to do. But, with infield depth lacking, and no obvious replacements floating in the portal, I think Merrifield's spot in the +5 is pretty safe.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 7:51 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Member since May 2007
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:51 am to
Nothing happens in a vacuum.

From a roster construction standpoint in 2023, Merrifield would be the easiest INF to hold onto of the guys in the portal (he's not in the portal, but that's what the conversation is).

So the evaluation has to be: Does he offer the most upside? If he doesn't, is it close enough that the roster impact put him over the edge?

I don't know other guys scholarship allocations, but Merrifield is a walk-on and a COVID senior, so he wouldn't take up money or a 35 spot.

If we want to bring in other 5th year guys, we have to go find them, we have to bet that they will contribute more than the guys we're pushing out and more than the guys already in the bag that they'd step in front of, and we'd have to hope they'd pay to do it. I don't think the likelihood is there.

That's the biggest roster construction reasons I think Merrifield is safe.

But, that all goes out the window if the idea is to simply get the best 35-40 players on the roster for 2023 without regard to the long term roster impact.
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10016 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:52 am to
You could have Covid seniors pop up that get waivers.
Posted by Metaloctopus
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2018
6417 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 7:56 am to
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You could have Covid seniors pop up that get waivers.


OK. But that is a universe we aren't currently living in. If that happens, then it happens. The likelihood just isn't high, in my opinion.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29459 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:02 am to
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Let's say Young doesn't come. You have 3 choices for infield help. Roster spot, redshirt, plus 5 guy. If you choose a roster spot guy (Cranford), that changes how you choose to structure your redshirts and plus 5 guys. Meaning, maybe you choose to redshirt more pitchers and fill your plus 5 pool with covid senior pitchers.
If Young doesn’t come and you add an infielder in a normal roster spot (Cranford or someone else) it’s a net zero change on the number of infielders in the 35 so why would it cause a need to redshirt more pitchers?
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2413 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:02 am to
I understand what you were saying now. Still don't agree with it because of most of the points Project made. You have a very confusing way of explaining your thought process.

A lot of moving parts would have to end up happening for Merrifield to get pushed out I think.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 8:03 am
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
10016 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:05 am to
Because it changes how you structure the plus 5 spots. With Young and/or Cranford on the roster, maybe you don’t use a plus 5 spot for an infielder like Merrifield and instead find Covid senior pitchers and redshirt pitchers instead.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
8509 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:19 am to
Can we bring Bianco back as the fifth covid senior just for ell.
Posted by boodro
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2013
872 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:34 am to
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That's the biggest roster construction reasons I think Merrifield is safe.
I think he is safe for the simple fact that he bakes cookies and sweets for the team.
Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
29459 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:36 am to
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Because it changes how you structure the plus 5 spots. With Young and/or Cranford on the roster, maybe you don’t use a plus 5 spot for an infielder like Merrifield and instead find Covid senior pitchers and redshirt pitchers instead.
Not really. The assumption right now is that Young will be here. If he isn’t his spot will be filled by another infielder. So there is no impact to numbers allocated to pitchers in the 35. You’re overthinking this.
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