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re: Lets talk about switching to a 4-3 and how it affects recruiting

Posted on 1/16/20 at 6:34 pm to
Posted by Blanky6715
Dallas, TX
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 1/16/20 at 6:34 pm to
Lets keep the 3-4
Posted by redfishfan
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2015
5359 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:51 pm to
Odd looks are much more versatile. And in today’s game if you play an even front it’s a 4-2-5 with the strong and weak safeties being hybrid plays. The 3 man teams plays a stand up backer and either 2 hybrid players at “safeties” or an outside backer and a SS. Then sub out the OLB on passing downs.
Posted by macaoidh
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2009
2922 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:37 pm to
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Shelvin and Ika both play NT though. 3-4.


Most teams who play a 4-3 use a nose guard. You put a guy over the center and you play a DT who either plays an overshift or an undershift depending on the offensive look. (Logan and Farrell can both play that, though if Farrell were to drop some weight he's a perfectly good 4-3 strongside defensive end.)

A 4-3 doesn't necessarily hamper Shelvin, Ika or Guillory at all.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
94754 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:49 pm to
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I still don't fully get a 3-4 defense from what I hear from people is the Dline in a 3-4 don't really get to shine and they are there more to plug up the running lanes


Really that is the first job of any DLine in the running game - occupy blockers - you want their 5 (or even 6/7 with TE and FB in some systems) to have to work hard to block your 3 or 4 - that gives the backers and safeties a numerical advantage at the second level, filling gaps with 2 or 3 (instead of 1 or 0) and that gives you the best chance to complete the tackle, with little/no YAC and win the down.

Football is brutally scientific and all about the numbers.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:57 pm to
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You put a guy over the center and you play a DT who either plays an overshift or an undershift depending on the offensive look.


The concepts really emerged in the 1970s in the NFL - with 4-3 over/undershifts pioneered by Dallas (and ultimately others) - by the mid-80s, with west coast offense coming into vogue, replacing the old school "pro set" an extra backer was valuable in covering TEs and backs out of the backfield. At some point in the 1990s, and this percolated down to colleges, too , a huge rift formed.

Typically, teams that focused on stopping the run "first" played a flavor of 4-3. Teams that focused on the pass, tended to have a 3-4. Things like the base 4-2-5 emerged as a "hybrid" with a dedicated nickel instead of a third backer.

All the other bases are typically a shift off one of these - the 3-3 stack is basically a hybrid of the 3-4 and 4-2-5 base and is a "modern" defense designed to defend the spread (as was base 4-2-5). Typically in HS and College, the 3-3 has not been widely adopted by the NFL because it is easier to scheme against with NFL personnel.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 9:00 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78237 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:16 pm to
Logan and Ferrell aren’t 4-3 DE

They’re just not great pass rushers

People say “the DLs are there to eat block for the LB” when our LBs are dropping into coverage on passing downs.

So who are then eating blocks for then when they’re pass rushing?

We just don’t have good pass rushing DEs.

Posted by WrigleyFan
Member since Oct 2019
73 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:22 pm to
Bama has ran 3-4 for quite some time. Seems to work fairly well for linebackers and d line. So, yeah, that’s not an issue.
Posted by Purple N Gold Blood
Gods country
Member since Sep 2009
3255 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:38 pm to
4-3 will be the defense we run next year .
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16107 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 10:09 pm to
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4-3 will be the defense we run next year .


except for when we run a 3-4 or a 4-2-5 or some other variation depending on the opponent, the down and distance, or on just what the new DC thinks will work on any given play. No doubt there will be times we line up with 4 defenders with their hands in the dirt. How he wants to list the depth chart, 4-3 or 3-4, doesn't really matter.
Posted by LSU Bayou Tiger
Member since Dec 2019
681 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 10:34 pm to
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Does anyone know the story on what happened with McCallum?



He was out of his league.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
28980 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 10:43 pm to
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Why do the OLB's not fit naturally as a 4-3 DE? are they too small?


Mingo/Hunter were the smallest DEs I remember us having and they were 6'5/6'6 240. Everybody else we had was 6'3-6'5 255-265. We don't have the personnel for a 4-3. We may have a starting group for it, but how good would that starting group even be? How about depth for rotation? Plus with Leach and Lane Kiffin coming in, getting Texas again, Trask in his 2nd+ year, Bama, and Auburn getting Chad Morris (former Clemson OC remember our 2012 bowl game) we'd be better off running mostly 3-3-5.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 10:47 pm
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11194 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:24 pm to
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4-3 or 3-4, doesn't really matter.

No kidding. The defenses that gave our offense the most trouble were Auburn (3-3-5) and Clemson in the first quarter (3-2-6). Modern defenses need to be versatile and able to adapt from week to week. The days of being in base (3-4/4-3) on first and second down and then nickel/dime on third down are pretty much over.

Posted by mhc4tigers
Member since Aug 2016
4537 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:06 am to
Too small
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78237 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:39 pm to
While both those defenses lines up with 3 down linemen,

Clemson usually is a 4 down linemen team.

Gettin to the QB while Rushing 4 (whether the 4th guy is standing or has his hand in the groun) is the only way to defend modern offenses.

Clemson didn’t have the DL talent to do this this year.
This post was edited on 1/18/20 at 9:44 am
Posted by geauxGreeks
Member since Sep 2012
1831 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:59 pm to
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10.11.2020 entered x-fer portal, but no other news. Hope the young man is okay. Recall him having an emergency heart surgery as a sr in high school.
Posted by BiggaGeauxrilla
North Louisiana
Member since Dec 2017
3183 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:05 pm to
Man we look weak at OLB. Other than freshmen, I don’t have a whole lot of confidence in any of those upper classmen becoming dominant players much less two or three of them...this defense looks a lot better with Queen and Phillips still on the field...
Posted by Buffkajun
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
73 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 4:12 pm to
I flew with Dee Ford about 6 months ago and he’s 6’2 245 and plays with his hand in the dirt at San Fran and did the same at Auburn. You normally have a speed guy on the week side and 275+ guy on the strong side.
Posted by Srobi14
South Florida
Member since Aug 2014
4001 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 6:03 pm to
dude we run both, dont worry about what label the defense is regarding 4-3 or 3-4, things have changed over the years and it is irrelevant IMO. Whether you call Chassion a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB is just semantics.
Posted by SS21
Member since Oct 2019
194 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 6:33 pm to
I think Nelson Jenkins could be a good 4-3 DT but DEFINITELY has the size\speed to help on the O line
Posted by tomato patch
Member since Apr 2019
652 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 1:31 pm to
Coaches decision
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