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Les to O transition year.Posted by TigerCrude 
on 1/12/21 at 1:30 pm
on 1/12/21 at 1:30 pm
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32017-2018 really hurt us in Recruiting. And even more so in LA recruiting. We went from landing 8/10 top LA guys to landing 1 or 2. And when you look at 2017 you lost guys like Moses, Mathis, Allen, Smith to Bama and a couple others to Florida, TAM, and Clemson (Eitenne). The following years we lost even more big time guys to Bama, UGA, and Clemson mostly. Really hurts O line when we produce so few and they all seem to never end up at LSU.
I’m glad we are making it a priority again to lock down the state. Will be very important ‘22.
Look at Bama last night
Moses, Smith, Mathis, Bolden, Allen, Harris and maybe a few more names are all from LA.
I’m glad we are making it a priority again to lock down the state. Will be very important ‘22.
Look at Bama last night
Moses, Smith, Mathis, Bolden, Allen, Harris and maybe a few more names are all from LA.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by wryder1 on 1/12/21 at 1:48 pm to TigerCrude
on 1/12/21 at 1:48 pm to TigerCrudeWill Campbell better be in P&G next in the next class or it’s time to replace O. He better bring in 1-2 more really solid OT’s as well. That should be the main focus of the class. Whatever it takes.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by Bjorn Cyborg on 1/12/21 at 1:55 pm to wryder1
on 1/12/21 at 1:55 pm to wryder1quote:
Will Campbell better be in P&G next in the next class or it’s time to replace O
Coaches don't get fired for losing recruits.
They get fired for losing, which can be caused by losing recruits.
But losing Will Campbell, or any other recruit, will not cause Orgeron to lose his job.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by Alt26 on 1/12/21 at 1:58 pm to TigerCrude
on 1/12/21 at 1:58 pm to TigerCrudeYou could argue the 2017 class was the foundation of last season's success. LSU signed the top ranked player (Shelvin). Whether Les stayed or not, it was very unlikely Smith was ever going to go to LSU (he was committed to UGA before then flipping to Bama once his Tangi parish connection did the same thing). Yes, LSU missed out on some good Louisiana players. But they also got some you may have heard of last spring in the NFL draft named Queen, Edwards-Heilare and Jefferson.
2018 was a pretty "down" year for Louisiana. Yet, LSU still signed 5 of the top 10 guys and of that group, only Pooka Williams had great success elsewhere.
There are reasons to criticize O. Not being able to recruit the state of Louisiana isn't one of them.
2018 was a pretty "down" year for Louisiana. Yet, LSU still signed 5 of the top 10 guys and of that group, only Pooka Williams had great success elsewhere.
There are reasons to criticize O. Not being able to recruit the state of Louisiana isn't one of them.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by CatfishJohn 
on 1/12/21 at 2:14 pm to TigerCrude
on 1/12/21 at 2:14 pm to TigerCrude2018 was a horrific recruiting class, largely because in-state talent wasn't really elite (outside of WR) and we failed to fill spots with top guys from out of state.
Look at this class (in order of 24/7 rank):
Terrace Marshall
Kelvin Joseph
Ja'Marr Chase
Jarell Cherry
Chasen Hines
Travez Moore
Micah Baskerville
Davin Cotton
Badara Traore
Dare Rosenthal
Kenan Jones
Chris Curry
Damone Clark
Cameron Wire
Cole Smith
Jaray Jenkins
Nelson Jenkins
Dominic Livingston
Zach Sheffer
Damien Lewis
Tae Provens
Dantrieze Scott
More than half of those offered zero contribution.
Look at this class (in order of 24/7 rank):
Terrace Marshall
Kelvin Joseph
Ja'Marr Chase
Jarell Cherry
Chasen Hines
Travez Moore
Micah Baskerville
Davin Cotton
Badara Traore
Dare Rosenthal
Kenan Jones
Chris Curry
Damone Clark
Cameron Wire
Cole Smith
Jaray Jenkins
Nelson Jenkins
Dominic Livingston
Zach Sheffer
Damien Lewis
Tae Provens
Dantrieze Scott
More than half of those offered zero contribution.
This post was edited on 1/12 at 2:15 pm
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by TigerBlood17 on 1/12/21 at 2:17 pm to TigerCrude
on 1/12/21 at 2:17 pm to TigerCrudeYou could argue that the 2017 class is the greatest recruiting class we have ever had.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by dwright369 on 1/12/21 at 2:23 pm to wryder1
Agreed, wryder. Given how lite our last two classes have been along the office of line, I would be perfectly content taking as many as six (6) offensive lineman in the 2022 class.
My main take away from the 2020 Alabama team this year was that a really solid offense of line can be a significant catalyst in the transformation of an average quarterback to one that finishes third in the Heisman voting
My main take away from the 2020 Alabama team this year was that a really solid offense of line can be a significant catalyst in the transformation of an average quarterback to one that finishes third in the Heisman voting
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by SammyTiger on 1/12/21 at 2:23 pm to TigerCrude
on 1/12/21 at 2:23 pm to TigerCrudeThe 2017 class was the basis of our NC team.
2018 was just a weak year in state.
2018 was just a weak year in state.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by CatfishJohn on 1/12/21 at 2:28 pm to dwright369
on 1/12/21 at 2:28 pm to dwright369quote:
offense of line
This is a new one
But I agree with your post and most people here repeat it all the time because it is true. If you are rock solid on the OL and DL, the rest of your team will perform substantially better.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by dwright369 on 1/12/21 at 2:29 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I agree with you for the most part, but losing Campbell would be damning as hell to his rapport with the home state (LA) Fanbase.
Plus, it’s yet another spot that must be filled with an upper-tier OT. After losing Tristan Leigh, I don’t even want to play out a hypothetical where we follow that up losing will Campbell
Plus, it’s yet another spot that must be filled with an upper-tier OT. After losing Tristan Leigh, I don’t even want to play out a hypothetical where we follow that up losing will Campbell
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re: Les to O transition year.Posted by adambomb on 1/12/21 at 2:35 pm to CatfishJohn
on 1/12/21 at 2:35 pm to CatfishJohnExtreme Highs and Lows:
Terrace Marshall A
Kelvin Joseph F
Ja'Marr Chase A+ (GOAT)
Jarell Cherry C
Chasen Hines C
Travez Moore F
Micah Baskerville B
Davin Cotton C
Badara Traore A
Dare Rosenthal A
Kenan Jones F
Chris Curry C
Damone Clark C(...)
Cameron Wire B
Cole Smith F
Jaray Jenkins B
Nelson Jenkins F
Dominic Livingston F
Zach Sheffer F
Damien Lewis A
Tae Provens F
Dantrieze Scott F
Terrace Marshall A
Kelvin Joseph F
Ja'Marr Chase A+ (GOAT)
Jarell Cherry C
Chasen Hines C
Travez Moore F
Micah Baskerville B
Davin Cotton C
Badara Traore A
Dare Rosenthal A
Kenan Jones F
Chris Curry C
Damone Clark C(...)
Cameron Wire B
Cole Smith F
Jaray Jenkins B
Nelson Jenkins F
Dominic Livingston F
Zach Sheffer F
Damien Lewis A
Tae Provens F
Dantrieze Scott F
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by Penrod on 1/12/21 at 2:38 pm to TigerCrude
on 1/12/21 at 2:38 pm to TigerCrudequote:
And when you look at 2017 you lost guys like Moses, Mathis, Allen, Smith to Bama and a couple others to Florida, TAM, and Clemson (Eitenne).
2017 was the greatest recruiting class in LSU history.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by CatfishJohn on 1/12/21 at 2:39 pm to adambomb
on 1/12/21 at 2:39 pm to adambombquote:
Extreme Highs and Lows:
No depth. Exactly.
quote:
Badara Traore A
Dare Rosenthal A
You rankings make no sense. You think Badara Traore is the same rating as Terrace Marshall ?
quote:
You could argue the 2017 class was the foundation of last season's success.
Ya think?
Jacoby Stevens
K'Lavon Chaisson
Deculus
Shelvin
Jacob Phillips
Delpit
Harris
Vincent
Ingram
Saahdiq Charles
Farrell
Clyde
Justin Thomas
Patrick Queen
Racey
Justin Jefferson
There is no argument.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by Bjorn Cyborg on 1/12/21 at 3:41 pm to dwright369
on 1/12/21 at 3:41 pm to dwright369Recruiting is a means to an end. It is not the game itself.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by SammyTiger on 1/12/21 at 4:32 pm to adambomb
on 1/12/21 at 4:32 pm to adambombYou have put a lot more A’s than I would Have.
We got 3 high end starters out of the entire class.
Lewis, Marshall and Chase
And we got like 4 other serviceable starters in Jenkins Baskerville, Rosenthal and Hines
There are 11 guys who have contributed nothing including some of our highest ranking players in that class.
We got 3 high end starters out of the entire class.
Lewis, Marshall and Chase
And we got like 4 other serviceable starters in Jenkins Baskerville, Rosenthal and Hines
There are 11 guys who have contributed nothing including some of our highest ranking players in that class.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by Chalkywhite84 
on 1/12/21 at 4:51 pm to CatfishJohn
on 1/12/21 at 4:51 pm to CatfishJohnShould've never taken tae provens
Jarell cherry never found a position.
Cole smith and dominic Livingston lasted a year, maybe.
Jarell cherry never found a position.
Cole smith and dominic Livingston lasted a year, maybe.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by SupermanSlim on 1/12/21 at 7:29 pm to TigerCrude
on 1/12/21 at 7:29 pm to TigerCrudeLSU’s 2017 signing class was one of the best LSU classes ever. Maybe not in initial recruit rankings, but in real life production. Justin Jefferson, Miles Brennan, Clyde Edwards Helaire, Jacoby Stevens, Austin Deculus, K’Lavon Chassion, Jacob Phillips, Tyler Shelvin, Grant Delpit, Kary Vincent, Patrick Queen, Ed Ingram, Shaadiq Charles, etc.
re: Les to O transition year.Posted by SupermanSlim on 1/12/21 at 7:37 pm to adambomb
on 1/12/21 at 7:37 pm to adambombquote:
Jarell Cherry C Chasen Hines C
Chason Hines actually plays. Cherry was highly rated and I haven’t seen him play a single down in his career so far.
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