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re: Lance Heard...Has anyone heard (no pun) anything?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:51 am to Adam Banks
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:51 am to Adam Banks
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Who is better-Lance heard or Emory Jones?
This framing assumes that we can know this with certainty, but we can't.
If you're asking which guy I'd rather have on the squad for 2024, then the answer is obviously Emery Jones. But that's a false choice - it's not necessarily the case that we have to choose one or the other.
Also: I really don't have any idea what your question has to do with anything I said.
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:55 am to Bring Da Wood
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The way this kid has acted
The way people on this board talk about these kids is absolutely mindboggling. "The way he's acted"?? There's not one of us on here--and certainly not you--that has any idea "how hes acted".
You guys always wanna talk about trusting the staff... well you better believe that the staff wants lance heard on the roster entering 2024.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:57 am to KC_LSUFAN
Tennesse/Oklahoma battle reportedly.
The question isnt if he's better right now than Jones. The question is, is he better than the 6th guy on the OL depth chart? Seeing as though he was the 6th man the answer is yes.
The question isnt if he's better right now than Jones. The question is, is he better than the 6th guy on the OL depth chart? Seeing as though he was the 6th man the answer is yes.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 8:57 am
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:03 am to LifeAquatic
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I don’t understand this perspective. Kid is a potential cornerstone piece, why wouldn’t you care about having him on the team?
Because then, you're letting kids dictate how you run your team. Anyone with half a brain knows that's a terrible idea. The kid has lots of potential but hasn't proven much at the collegiate level at this point in his career. Demanding a starting position and more NIL money rubs me the wrong way.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:04 am to KC_LSUFAN
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He’s a kid What did you know at 18 Not much likely
Which is why I put blame on his inner circle as well. Did you even read my comment?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:05 am to KC_LSUFAN
This sounds like a "chicken vs egg" scenario as concerns $$$ promises and timing to go into the portal. If my memory serves me correctly, one has to be in the portal before being approached by prospective suitors. Was there tampering going on that helped his family pushed him to take the leap?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:16 am to LifeAquatic
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Who is better-Lance heard or Emory Jones? This framing assumes that we can know this with certainty, but we can't.
We saw both in action. Sometimes in the same game. Emory Jones performed better.
Next question. Is he a better guard than dellinger or Frazier?
We certainly don’t know that one way or the other but we do know that he seems unwilling to make the switch to guard.
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Also: I really don't have any idea what your question has to do with anything I said.
Well it matters for two reasons #1. you seem to think our current third tackle is guaranteed to be a cornerstone in 2025 which I have to yet to see evidence of other than recruiting rankings. The line took a significant step back when he was in and IMO jones and Campbell were clearly better last year than heard this year.
#2 you seem to be willing to upset the balance of our o line which has played together very well in order to satisfy him.
He’s not guaranteed to start at RT in fact I’d say he’s not likely to start. To do so you have to train him and work through growing pains with him AND train Jones at guard and work through growing pains at guard and that’s going under the assumption that Jones is a better guard than dellinger or Frazier. Which he may not be.
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:18 am to lsufanva
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The question isnt if he's better right now than Jones. The question is, is he better than the 6th guy on the OL depth chart? Seeing as though he was the 6th man the answer is yes.
He’s not willing to stay to be the 6th man and I certainly wouldn’t pay him starter money to be the 6th man
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:22 am to GeauxLSU4
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why wouldn’t you care about having him on the team?
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Because then, you're letting kids dictate how you run your team
Thats not the case at all - those are two totally different things.
Just because you want or care about having a particular kid on your team doesn't mean you have to let them dictate how the team is run. That's absolutely ludicrous and nobody is suggesting that we do that.
The guy i was replying to said that he "couldn't care less about having Heard on the team". It's moronic to claim you don't care about having good players, so I pointed that out.
I'm curious - You're on the recruiting board, so are there ever any recruits you want? If you want a particular recruit on the team, does that mean "you're letting them dictate how you run your team"?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:22 am to LifeAquatic
Unless he’s enrolled at lsu it would seem he needs to get enrolled at new school to be ready for spring practice
Most schools are starting back up this week so the clock is ticking
Most schools are starting back up this week so the clock is ticking
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:23 am to NotaStarGazer
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There are 2 or 3 OL in THIS class who could be as good as Heard. BTW, I haven't seen enough of Heard in SEC play to judge him. I do remember in one game he got beat on one
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Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:26 am to TNTigerman
Hope he decides to come back
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:46 am to LifeAquatic
Has nothing to do with not wanting good players. Players threatening to transfer over starting positions, NIL money is non negotiable. You let players on the team see a kid doing this and you give into his demands, you have a massive problem on your hands. I have no issue with BK telling Heard to hit the pavement. What's best for the program obviously isn't what was best for him so peace out homie.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:44 am to KC_LSUFAN
I don't blame the kid, but I do blame those surrounding him that have him believing that the grass is greener on the other side, which many times is not the case. Here's a homegrown player that could be a legend in Louisiana for the rest of his life, but that doesn't mean anything to these kids. Unfortunately, this is going to become more common place because the players now hold so much power and they all think they NFL bound. Loyalty and being proud of where you were raised is out the window and it's all about the $$$!
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:53 am to SoloTiger
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Respectfully disagree.
Well, IF you believe in the recruiting services which I don't BTW, On3 has Weston a 5*. And I watched a couple of others in highlights...Echols for one...and he showed me a lot against HS players. That is the same competition that Heard has played against for the most part since he wasn't used heavily at LSU his TR FR season.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:00 am to Chalkywhite84
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Yeah, I understand what you are saying. I made almost a contradictory statement about not seeing him enough to judge Heard and yet comparing new guys to Heard. I get it. My point was that I have seen highlights of both from HS which is apples vs apples. Weston was rated a 5* by On3 if you believe in the services...Heard a 5*. I saw Echols highlights and he looks dominant to me as an interior OL. Also as I stated, I did see Heard for some PT as a TR FR. He certainly didn't look all world to me but I can not give a final judgment on him because it was obviously limited action. That is what I was trying to convey. 
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:04 am to LifeAquatic
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The way people on this board talk about these kids is absolutely mindboggling. "The way he's acted"?? There's not one of us on here--and certainly not you--that has any idea "how hes acted".
Uuuuuhhhh, actually I have an idea how Heard has acted. Did you not see his quotes about after signing with LSU out of HS? Apparently not. He talked about taking the LT position as a TR FR even though Will Campbell was proving himself. Confidence is one thing...unbridled hutzpah is something else.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:12 am to NotaStarGazer
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There are 2 or 3 OL in THIS class who could be as good as Heard
Lol based on ur feelings? Doubtful but I’d love for you to be right. Just not sure what this opinion is based on.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:25 am to ExpoTiger
Based on recruiting ratings if you believe them...On3 has Weston a 5*. Also, every class for LSU signees I look at the highlights...yes, they are HIGHlights for everyone, not the goofs. You need to look at Weston's highlights and you need to look at Echols highlights. IMO, they look just as good as Heard's HS highlights. I will say that Echols' ones are as an interior lineman...not at LT. But you can see the ability, determination, power, etc.
Sssssoooo nnnnnoooo, it is not based on feelings. My opinion is based on several minutes of video of each player that HUDL supplies on them.
Sssssoooo nnnnnoooo, it is not based on feelings. My opinion is based on several minutes of video of each player that HUDL supplies on them.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 11:33 am to KWL85
quote:I'd take him back as well, but let him know that this can't happen again. They paid him a 6 figure deal coming out of high school.
I am on the opposite side of this. Would welcome him back! Kids and families are swayed by money. It is not a crime. I don't know the family's financial situation, but am sure some big bags were thrown at them.
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