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re: John Emery and the Georgia RB Glut
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:43 pm to ROPO
Posted on 10/18/18 at 1:43 pm to ROPO
I am still hoping Emery will give a lot of thought to the glut of running backs at Georgia, and realize he has a better chance to see the playing field sooner at LSU.
I wouldn't give up on Emery just yet.
I wouldn't give up on Emery just yet.
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Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:12 pm to ROPO
He may specifically not want to go to LSU but he’d be crazy to go to UGA. FTR, I think he’s exactly what LSU needs - a perfect fit. If I were him and didn’t want to go to LSU Od go somewhere like Colorado or Oregon or somewhere off the radar where I could be a 2000 yard guy.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:35 pm to bwallcubfan
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When guys don't come here due to crowded positions, we say he's afraid of competition...when they do go to situations like UGA has, he's dumb.
I guess if you live in a black and white world, that makes sense to you.
I'll put it this way. If there is such a thing as a position group that is so overcrowded with talent that it logically should sway a recruit away, Georgia RB is it.
LSU doesn't have a single position group that would compare.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:38 pm to Goldrush25
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Coaches are now selling recruits on the idea of not running them into the ground, saving their tread for the NFL.
Through 7 games, Swift has 71 carries and Holyfield 65.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 2:43 pm to ROPO
Does anyone else think that Emerys Dad knows how bad LSU needs a five star running back thats in their backyard, so he has him committed To Georgia to try to get a bigger payday from LSU
Posted on 10/18/18 at 3:10 pm to broadcaster
Emery goes to Georgia and rides the pine for 3 years. Comes to LSU and is an instant national star on the team that’s favored to win it all next year. I don’t get this kids thought process at all??
Posted on 10/18/18 at 3:47 pm to PinevilleTiger
Holyfield isn’t leaving this year, Swift has another year until draft eligible.
He’d be competing with Zamir White and James Cook for 3rd string!
He’d be lucky to get 5 carries per game in his sophomore year.
Factor in redshirts too, who knows!
He’d be competing with Zamir White and James Cook for 3rd string!
He’d be lucky to get 5 carries per game in his sophomore year.
Factor in redshirts too, who knows!
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:11 pm to GumboPot
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With Harris on board adding Emery to the mix with CEH and Curry for depth is really a nice mix. I hope it happens.
Did you mean Davis? Or have I missed something. Not sure who Harris is.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:25 pm to ROPO
I want to start off my post, by letting you know that I'm trying to show of the other side of things through a reasonable discussion. I completely understand the points y'all are making and if I were LSU, you better believe I'd be mentioning this stuff to Emery.
From our side, here's the way we would recruit Emery, and obviously I know that a lot of y'all wouldn't come to UGA with this pitch, but I can kind of understand why someone would.
1. We have one of the best offensive line coaches in the country, who is bringing in the best offensive line recruits in the country. We had 6 top 100 OL recruits in the last two classes (combined), a multitude of more 4*s and we've proven we are a run first team, who is willing to play the best player (this point might be debated with our play this year). We also have top rated TEs who are great blockers (they aren't, but ya know, I'm telling Emery that)
2. The one big advantage we have over LSU, is that if Cain also commits to the Tigers, there will be 3 running backs in LSU's class. Emery is the only RB we're taking in this recruiting class, and he'll have 2+ years to compete for the #1 spot. I'd tell him three if I'm Kirby, but if we're being realistic, Swift and/or Holyfield will get that spot next year. After that, Swift and Holyfield will probably be gone, and we'll have Emery, a guy coming off two ACL surgeries, and a 185 lb scat back who probably won't be a #1 option.
3. We're putting RBs in the NFL, and they're having success. Gurley, Michel, and Chubb have been great. Swift and Holyfield are projected to be high draft picks. I'm telling Emery that if he's running behind our line, he'll have a healthy body, and likely be a 1st-2nd round pick, and then have success in the NFL. "You'll be a part of RB U", etc.
Again, I completely get what y'all are saying, and I don't think this year we've done a great job of making our best case for Emery this year, but there are reasons to come to Athens. They just might not be reasons that you or I would want if we were looking at a college.
From our side, here's the way we would recruit Emery, and obviously I know that a lot of y'all wouldn't come to UGA with this pitch, but I can kind of understand why someone would.
1. We have one of the best offensive line coaches in the country, who is bringing in the best offensive line recruits in the country. We had 6 top 100 OL recruits in the last two classes (combined), a multitude of more 4*s and we've proven we are a run first team, who is willing to play the best player (this point might be debated with our play this year). We also have top rated TEs who are great blockers (they aren't, but ya know, I'm telling Emery that
) 2. The one big advantage we have over LSU, is that if Cain also commits to the Tigers, there will be 3 running backs in LSU's class. Emery is the only RB we're taking in this recruiting class, and he'll have 2+ years to compete for the #1 spot. I'd tell him three if I'm Kirby, but if we're being realistic, Swift and/or Holyfield will get that spot next year. After that, Swift and Holyfield will probably be gone, and we'll have Emery, a guy coming off two ACL surgeries, and a 185 lb scat back who probably won't be a #1 option.
3. We're putting RBs in the NFL, and they're having success. Gurley, Michel, and Chubb have been great. Swift and Holyfield are projected to be high draft picks. I'm telling Emery that if he's running behind our line, he'll have a healthy body, and likely be a 1st-2nd round pick, and then have success in the NFL. "You'll be a part of RB U", etc.
Again, I completely get what y'all are saying, and I don't think this year we've done a great job of making our best case for Emery this year, but there are reasons to come to Athens. They just might not be reasons that you or I would want if we were looking at a college.
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:27 pm to ROPO
Meanwhile, LSU RBs are pretty average at best and he can definitely be a day 1 starter on next year's roster.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:42 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Gurley, Michel, and Chubb have been great
Chubb has been great? You might be right, but how would you even know? His idiot coach has only given him 16 carries all year.
Back to your point...if I was a Georgia fan, I would be concerned about how your guys are getting used this year. Your top two backs are far and away Swift and Holyfield, yet those guys are only getting 10 and 9 carries each per game.
I thought your distribution last year was good. Chubb was getting 15 and Michele was getting like 11. If I'm a running back, I'm looking at the carries the top guys are getting to help determine where I want to be. Do I really want to go somewhere where as a junior, who is playing damn well, I'm still only getting 9 carries a game?
What have Herrien and Cook done that they're both getting 5 carries per game? And then you still have to figure out a way to get Fields his touches to keep him happy.
From the outside looking in, it seems like a lot of the focus of the offense is simply figuring out how to get guys touches and keep them happy rather than move the ball and score points. Honestly, for the life of me, I can't figure out why Herrien got any carries against LSU last weekend. It's just so many damn mouths to feed and I think it's negatively impacting your offense.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:45 pm to moneyg
quote:then frick him. Geaux Tigers
If that's the case,
Posted on 10/18/18 at 4:50 pm to whitefoot
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Chubb has been great? You might be right, but how would you even know? His idiot coach has only given him 16 carries all year.
I'm just saying that's what I'm telling Emery. That Chubb has even averaging 11 ypc. Completely agree about Hue Jackson being an idiot though
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I thought your distribution last year was good. Chubb was getting 15 and Michele was getting like 11. If I'm a running back, I'm looking at the carries the top guys are getting to help determine where I want to be. Do I really want to go somewhere where as a junior, who is playing damn well, I'm still only getting 9 carries a game?
Completely agree with 100% of this. Think Holyfield and Swift should both be getting around 12/13 a game (I'd personally like for them to both get 15). Herrien and Cook can get carries in garbage time or on jet sweeps. I also don't see the point of playing Fields unless we're going to let him throw as well or if we're playing Big 12 defenses where you can run the wildcat on any of them.
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From the outside looking in, it seems like a lot of the focus of the offense is simply figuring out how to get guys touches and keep them happy rather than move the ball and score points. Honestly, for the life of me, I can't figure out why Herrien got any carries against LSU last weekend. It's just so many damn mouths to feed and I think it's negatively impacting your offense.
I think that's very fair. We had 5 great backs last year, and we did a really good job of managing the carries IMO. I think we're trying to pass more this year, but I don't really know why we need to. Our WRs our great, but it's not our identity and we don't need to try to force them the ball when our running game is as good as it is.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 5:30 pm to Dawgsontop34
The problem with your argument is that at LSU he doesn't have to wait, we have a good OL too, and Leonard Fournette and Derrius Guice, Jeremy Hill, etc. didn't exactly not get drafted. We have six active RBs and two guys on IR in the NFL right now. You guys have 4.
Posted on 10/18/18 at 10:59 pm to LSU Patrick
quote:Against LSU I wasn't that impressed with Swift who got more carries than Holyfield I believe, but LSU's D was all over him every time he touched the ball. Whereas "The Real Deal Holyfield son" is indeed a chip off the old block. He was relentless in the few short times he ran against LSU, it was almost like he channeled his Pops in refusing to go down, breaking off hard churning run after run. I was real impressed with that kid's toughness as I'm sure Evander was too.
Swift is really shifty and will give most defenses nightmares. Holyfield brings more to the table and will have more success against good defenses, IMO.
This post was edited on 10/18/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 10/18/18 at 11:38 pm to moneyg
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Holyfield was very good against LSU, but Swift is an elite talent. My guess is that you are basing this off of 7 carries in a single game.
Swift is damn good and powerful himself, but Holyfield finally came into his own this year. I was sure Swift would statistically be one of the best RBs in the country, but Holyfield showed why he was ranked so high in his own class. Swift is averaging less yards per carry than Helaire and Holyfield is averaging 7.5 ypc, 2nd only to Boyd of Arkansas for players with at least 50 carries.
This post was edited on 10/19/18 at 6:36 am
Posted on 10/19/18 at 5:26 am to Dawgsontop34
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1. We have one of the best offensive line coaches in the country, who is bringing in the best offensive line recruits in the country. We had 6 top 100 OL recruits in the last two classes (combined), a multitude of more 4*s and we've proven we are a run first team, who is willing to play the best player (this point might be debated with our play this year). We also have top rated TEs who are great blockers (they aren't, but ya know, I'm telling Emery that ) 2. The one big advantage we have over LSU, is that if Cain also commits to the Tigers, there will be 3 running backs in LSU's class. Emery is the only RB we're taking in this recruiting class, and he'll have 2+ years to compete for the #1 spot. I'd tell him three if I'm Kirby, but if we're being realistic, Swift and/or Holyfield will get that spot next year. After that, Swift and Holyfield will probably be gone, and we'll have Emery, a guy coming off two ACL surgeries, and a 185 lb scat back who probably won't be a #1 option. 3. We're putting RBs in the NFL, and they're having success. Gurley, Michel, and Chubb have been great. Swift and Holyfield are projected to be high draft picks. I'm telling Emery that if he's running behind our line, he'll have a healthy body, and likely be a 1st-2nd round pick, and then have success in the NFL. "You'll be a part of RB U", etc.
1. Didn't seem to help this past week. Especially when your coach got away from the run game for no reason. (Just one game though, I know) However, LSU is building a tremendous line. On top of the recruits, hopefully get Ingram back as well.
2. I don't think Cain commits if Emery is on board. Regardless, Emery is a featured back day one here. He can start right away, so what does it matter if LSU takes more back this recruiting class. You still have more stud backs to compete with of all classes. He starts day one, he is probably not going to lose it.. kind of like Fournette.. LSU did well with Fournette and Guice.
3. The path to the NFL is there at LSU as well.
So not really sure how any of those are much of an advantage.
The main thing LSU is missing is a back like Emery. IMO of course. I would just be so thrilled if he came to LSU. The homerun threat they could use.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 8:57 am to beauchristopher
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So not really sure how any of those are much of an advantage.
If I’m LSU, that’s the sort of stuff I’m telling Emery. I’m just saying what we can sell from a UGA perspective. We have (or had before the LSU game) the top rated O Line by PFF with 4/5 players coming back for next year in all likelihood.
But overall, I think we’ll look much more suitable if we get back to last years offensive game plan. This was really the first time that we’ve seen the Chaney that Ark/Tenn complained about where he passes too often.
Thankfully we have a bye week to reflect on the loss, and I’m hopeful we get back to the ground and pound game with Fromm as the secondary option.
Posted on 10/19/18 at 9:17 am to Dawgsontop34
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If I’m LSU, that’s the sort of stuff I’m telling Emery. I’m just saying what we can sell from a UGA perspective. We have (or had before the LSU game) the top rated O Line by PFF with 4/5 players coming back for next year in all likelihood. But overall, I think we’ll look much more suitable if we get back to last years offensive game plan. This was really the first time that we’ve seen the Chaney that Ark/Tenn complained about where he passes too often. Thankfully we have a bye week to reflect on the loss, and I’m hopeful we get back to the ground and pound game with Fromm as the secondary option.
Chaney looks like an OC that does not know how to use his talent. We had an obvious weakness vs the run and he did not choose to exploit that. If Emery is plugged in to GA social media and press he's probably hearing this. As for OL talent, 2019 will be a great season for LSU. Most of our OL will return and we add the #1 OG, 3 OTs, the OC from IMG and possibly another OT. Our 2018 OL haul was very good and will show out in 2019. I have no doubt the 2019 OL will be one of the deepest, most talented and experienced we've had in quite a few years.
I'm sure this past weekend gave Emery something to think about. And for that, thanks Dawgs!
Posted on 10/19/18 at 10:29 am to BayouCowboy
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Chaney looks like an OC that does not know how to use his talent. We had an obvious weakness vs the run and he did not choose to exploit that. If Emery is plugged in to GA social media and press he's probably hearing this.
A ton of people think LSU has a great run defense in large part because of reputation, but right now if there's any weak part of the team, it's the run D. Chaney's done that a couple times in his career. Most notably @ Ole Miss in 2016, and @ LSU this year. Ole Miss was terrible against sweeps and any outside runs then and we ran outside like 3 times on them. We also got down early and then entirely went away from the run.
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As for OL talent, 2019 will be a great season for LSU. Most of our OL will return and we add the #1 OG, 3 OTs, the OC from IMG and possibly another OT. Our 2018 OL haul was very good and will show out in 2019. I have no doubt the 2019 OL will be one of the deepest, most talented and experienced we've had in quite a few years.
I think your o line is going to be very solid, but over the last few years I don't think anyone has recruited that position group better than we have over the last 2-3 years. That's what we have to be selling Emery on. Healthy body entering the league. Great O Line. A team that will be in the National Title picture while he's there.
Sucks that y'all gave him so much to think about this past weekend, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ended up at LSU. That home state draw, especially to a place like LSU is big. I'm hopeful he's like some of those GA kids that just wants to leave the state.
Also, this is by far the best and most respectful discussion about Emery that GA and LSU fans have had on this site so far
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