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re: Jarrell Martin scout article
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:12 pm to ECOTIGER
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:12 pm to ECOTIGER
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What happened to DJ, Zeno Martin, tweety and foster?
I have no brief whatsoever for Brady's talent evaluation. It was putrid. But Brady - or maybe, as much as I didn't like him, Butch - never got outworked on the recruiting trail. If that work ethic could ever have been married to a clue who he should have taken (let's not forget the biggest talent evaluation blunder of all; namely, the decision to recruit Ross Neltner instead of Nick Fazekas, who wanted to come here and ended up launching Trent Johnson's career at Nevada), Brady would be a latter-day Bobby Knight and he'd still be here aggravating his detractors.
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Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:18 pm to tiger20
quote:Early entry, along with alienating and running off several of his better players.
Early entry to the NBA created inconsistency more than haphazard recruiting.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:22 pm to ECOTIGER
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Those three player Tyrus, temple and big baby only came here because of Collis. Tyrus was luck... He grew after his redshirt freshman year.
Plus not many schools recruited Tyrus so it wasn't like we stole him from someone
Guess Stromile, Jabari, Ronald Dupree, Brandon Bass, Lamont Roland, Anthony Randolph, Brian Beshara, Torris Bright, Chris Johnson, Magnum Rolle were all luck or due to Collis?
DJ was a casualty of Katrina though lik emost N.O. recruits over the past 50 years he may have gone elsewhere anyway. Tweety was not intrested in LSU and LSU signed playrs just as good or better. They signed Big Baby, Tyrus Thomas and Garret Temple with the three scholarships available the year Shon Foster signed with Vandy. All three started on the Final Four team. Did Vandy even make the SEC tourney Final four?
Who is Zeno Martin? They can't sign every good recruit every year due to scholly limits.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:27 pm to Gravitiger
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Early entry, along with alienating and running off several of his better players
Please list all those great players he alienated and ran off and tell us what they accomplished after transferring. Then compare those accomplishments to those who transferred here : Lamont Roland, Brian Beshara, Terry Martin.
Your move.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:32 pm to tiger20
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tiger20
You get dumber and dumber every year. I can't believe some of the players on your list.
You could field a competitive NBA starting five with the players Brady missed IN STATE.
PG: DJ Augustin
SG: Von Wafer
SF: Danny Granger
PF: Paul Milsap
C: Greg Monroe
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:41 pm to tuptiger
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You could field a competitive NBA starting five with the players Brady missed IN STATE.
PG: DJ Augustin
SG: Von Wafer
SF: Danny Granger
PF: Paul Milsap
C: Greg Monroe
You do realize that half of the top 150 recruits every year sign with out of state schools.You could make that same list for just about everycoach and every school in the country. Recruits make choices for their own reasons. Its not like these players were flourishing and Brady and Butch knew nothing about them. Three of your list were inner city New Orleans players who have historically shunned LSU regardless of who was coaching including Trent Johnson. Sorry, Derenbecker and Ludwig don't break tht trend.
How many major programs recruited Granger?
Millsap went to Grambling where his uncle was coaching.
It happens. Everywhere.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:41 pm to tiger20
I didn't say "great." I said "better." Anyway, here goes:
Jaime Lloreda: professional in Europe and Puerto Rico, Columbian national team
Magnum Rolle: two-time all-WAC, great shot blocker and rebounder, #51 overall NBA draft pick, in Hawks training camp right now
Ross Neltner: two-year starter and leading rebounder for a much better team than LSU
Regis Koundjia: one who definitely did not live up to his ability
Other than Koundija, you are lying to yourself if you don't think every one of those guys would have made LSU better.
Jaime Lloreda: professional in Europe and Puerto Rico, Columbian national team
Magnum Rolle: two-time all-WAC, great shot blocker and rebounder, #51 overall NBA draft pick, in Hawks training camp right now
Ross Neltner: two-year starter and leading rebounder for a much better team than LSU
Regis Koundjia: one who definitely did not live up to his ability
Other than Koundija, you are lying to yourself if you don't think every one of those guys would have made LSU better.
This post was edited on 12/19/11 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:42 pm to tiger20
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You can criticize Brady all you want, but you are absolutely wrong about his recruiting. He recruited three SEC championship teams in a decade including a Final Four and Sweet 16 team while dealing with draconian sanctions. Early entry to the NBA created inconsistency more than haphazard recruiting.
Same old shite with you every time. Tell John we said hello.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:47 pm to TigerBite
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Same old shite with you every time. Tell John we said hello
Same old crap by some who can't post a positive comment about Trent without resorting to negative revisionist history about Brady. Interesting that no one including you refuted what I posted. You chose to resort to personal attacks instead.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:55 pm to macaoidh
Save it all you want. I can line up every Grant recruit by position since hes been at Alabama and Trent has recruited a better player, across the board.
Hell, he's recruited at least three players worse than Ludwig.
Hell, he's recruited at least three players worse than Ludwig.
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:57 pm to Bubba Hotep
Bubba do you know the answer about the ? I ask? Did Martin play at Richwood?
Posted on 12/19/11 at 11:57 pm to Gravitiger
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Jaime Lloreda: professional in Europe and Puerto Rico, Columbian national team
Played through senior year at LSU was All SEC
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Ross Neltner: two-year starter and leading rebounder for a much better team than LSU
Really. he left and LSU went to the Final Four. What did Vandy accomplish. Ross is a good player but he chose not to stay and compete for playing time. Who would he have started over at LSU?
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Magnum Rolle: two-time all-WAC, great shot blocker and rebounder, #51 overall NBA draft pick, in Hawks training camp right now
All conference in a lesser conference. Did he accomplish more than Chris Johnson who was All SEC and plays in the NBA and started on an SEC champion
So again where is this stream of great playrs who were run off. They all had their chance and could not nail starting spots. Compae them to Lamont Roland, Brian Beshara and Terry Martin.
Since you listed JUCO Jaime Lloreda tehn lets counter with Jabari Smith, Marcus Thornton, Willie Anderson.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:08 am to DONHOGG
No. He's from BR. He plays at a new school called Madison Prep.
The kid you are talking about is D'Andre Martin. He is a freshman at ULM. I think he is former LSU player Terry Martin's brother.
The kid you are talking about is D'Andre Martin. He is a freshman at ULM. I think he is former LSU player Terry Martin's brother.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:08 am to tiger20
I'm responding to two posters here:
1) Jaime didn't play for Colombia. It was Panama
2) Terry Martin shouldn't be used as an example of good things transfers have done here. He was slightly better than Dameon Mason
1) Jaime didn't play for Colombia. It was Panama
2) Terry Martin shouldn't be used as an example of good things transfers have done here. He was slightly better than Dameon Mason
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:10 am to tiger20
did LSU even offer granger??
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:10 am to Elleshoe
Wow, three consecutive Terry Martin references. What the hell is going on here?
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:14 am to tiger20
Lloreda: I was terribly wrong there. I think I was mixing him up with Koundija.
Neltner: You don't think he would have contributed after the Final Four team when we absolutely blew? I think he could have as much or more useful than Lazare.
Rolle: I didn't realize that he and Johnson couldn't play together at the same time. Especially since they played together at the same time in prep school. Heaven forbid we have two shot blockers on the floor at the same time. And Chris Johnson was not All-SEC. He was All-SEC defensive team, and third-team All-Louisiana (behind Rolle). If Rolle had stayed, he probably would have started for a SEC championship team just like Johnson.
I don't know why you keep bringing up Bashera, Martin and Roland. Both Neltner's and Rolle's stats after their transfers compare favorably to all three of them. Martin was borderline terrible his senior year and wasn't much better as a junior. Roland hardly played as a senior. Bashera was average in every way. Just because someone isn't a starter doesn't mean they wouldn't eventually become one or that they couldn't contribute meaningfully to the team.
Neltner: You don't think he would have contributed after the Final Four team when we absolutely blew? I think he could have as much or more useful than Lazare.
Rolle: I didn't realize that he and Johnson couldn't play together at the same time. Especially since they played together at the same time in prep school. Heaven forbid we have two shot blockers on the floor at the same time. And Chris Johnson was not All-SEC. He was All-SEC defensive team, and third-team All-Louisiana (behind Rolle). If Rolle had stayed, he probably would have started for a SEC championship team just like Johnson.
I don't know why you keep bringing up Bashera, Martin and Roland. Both Neltner's and Rolle's stats after their transfers compare favorably to all three of them. Martin was borderline terrible his senior year and wasn't much better as a junior. Roland hardly played as a senior. Bashera was average in every way. Just because someone isn't a starter doesn't mean they wouldn't eventually become one or that they couldn't contribute meaningfully to the team.
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 12:23 am
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:21 am to RollTigersRoll
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did LSU even offer granger??
No. By tiger20's logic, because no other major university pursued Granger, Brady shouldn't be at fault for losing a perennial NBA All-Star from Metairie.
I'm sure we signed some studs in his place, though, like Willie Anderson, whoever that is.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 12:39 am to Gravitiger
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Rolle: I didn't realize that he and Johnson couldn't play together at the same time. Especially since they played together at the same time in prep school. Heaven forbid we have two shot blockers on the floor at the same time. And Chris Johnson was not All-SEC. He was All-SEC defensive team, and third-team All-Louisiana (behind Rolle). If Rolle had stayed, he probably would have started for a SEC championship team just like Johnson.
Magnum said he wanted to play more of a Durant role and start at the 3. the problem is he can't shoot (or catch)
Posted on 12/20/11 at 1:56 am to tiger20
Going back to your original argument that Brady's inconsistency was due to early entries in the draft. How many were there in his ten years? Four? How many were really unexpected going into their last seasons? Two? I hardly think that explains his ups and downs.
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