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Interesting recruiting data
Posted on 2/9/11 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/9/11 at 3:47 pm
I found this on a Michigan site. The topic is how many offers schools have to make to fill a class. In other words, how efficient are their recruiting efforts and how well do they target recruits that might actually end up accepting the offer. Perhaps other posters here can fill in the data on other schools as it's a smallish sample and is skewed towards Big Ten recruiting. The offers are based on Rivals listed offers for 2011.
School Total Offers Total Commitments Percentage
Ohio State 64 23 35.93%
MSU 75 21 28%
Penn State 63 16 25.3%
SDSU (Hoke) 108 23 21.29%
FSU 138 29 21.01%
Iowa 110 23 20.9%
Alabama 108 22 20.37%
Auburn 161 24 14.9%
Wisconsin 142 20 14.08%
Florida 140 19 13.5%
Michigan 175 20 11.42%
School Total Offers Total Commitments Percentage
Ohio State 64 23 35.93%
MSU 75 21 28%
Penn State 63 16 25.3%
SDSU (Hoke) 108 23 21.29%
FSU 138 29 21.01%
Iowa 110 23 20.9%
Alabama 108 22 20.37%
Auburn 161 24 14.9%
Wisconsin 142 20 14.08%
Florida 140 19 13.5%
Michigan 175 20 11.42%
This post was edited on 2/9/11 at 3:48 pm
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Posted on 2/9/11 at 4:17 pm to VABuckeye
Interesting indeed. I'd like to see how LSU stacks up, but I'm too lazy to research.
TIA
TIA
Posted on 2/9/11 at 4:45 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
The offers are based on Rivals listed offers for 2011.
I'm pretty sure bama would come in last because they "offer" about a thousand players every year. I don't think this would work in any schools favor, except Texas and tOSU as they are particular about who they offer. Most other schools make early offers an make a lot more offers than they have spots. That's what Saban changed when he got to LSU. I remember a radio show where they were talking about how he was appauled that we were only recruiting 30 kids when he got here and he went out and offered about 50 kids.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 9:05 pm to Suntiger
Texas easily would be number 1 by far. LSU would be top 10
Posted on 2/9/11 at 9:20 pm to VABuckeye
That's not intresting!
I want to know if young men in the north, like Ohio, get their muscles and joints to tighten during football season because of all the cold weather and get progressively slower than if they would training in the south.
A cold weather MNC game would be intresting, from at home
on tv.
I want to know if young men in the north, like Ohio, get their muscles and joints to tighten during football season because of all the cold weather and get progressively slower than if they would training in the south.
A cold weather MNC game would be intresting, from at home
on tv.
Posted on 2/9/11 at 10:45 pm to Lsujacket66
quote:
Texas easily would be number 1 by far
100% would be hard to top. That's an accurate percentage in state. Mac only offers the guys that want Texas.
Westerman was a rare loss for UT. Mack doesn't go after too many out of state guys.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 6:17 am to chinese58
I gathered offers from Rivals and Scout and got 127 offers with 22 signed.
LSU 127/22 17.32%
LSU 127/24 18.89% with Hill and Fleming.
LSU 127/22 17.32%
LSU 127/24 18.89% with Hill and Fleming.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 6:29 am to diggs24
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LSU 127/22 17.32%
That puts us right between Alabama and Auburn
Posted on 2/10/11 at 6:38 am to DaStain
Most of lsu's offers were token offers. Most top schools throw around early offers to national guys to see if they get any bites, then they move on. We decided early to go with a heavy La class. We got like 95% of the la kids we offered. That leaves 5 spots open for oos guy. And we maybe really looked at 15-20 guys seriously for those spots.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 6:41 am to footwedge
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Most of lsu's offers were token offers. Most top schools throw around early offers to national guys to see if they get any bites, then they move on. We decided early to go with a heavy La class. We got like 95% of the la kids we offered. That leaves 5 spots open for oos guy. And we maybe really looked at 15-20 guys seriously for those spots.
Agreed a lot of those offers are to intice kids to come to our football camps for a better evaluation. I'd like to see Ole Miss's percentage I'd bet its around 8 or 9 percent.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 7:47 am to VABuckeye
What excatly is the main idea of this data?
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:12 am to Koolaidkidiz
quote:
What excatly is the main idea of this data?
Targeting and efficiency. As noted schools like Ohio State and Texas are usually going to do well as they own their states. LSU should be in this category as well IMO as they have Louisiana locked down.
This allows a school like Ohio State to target specific national recruits. Obviously if you're targeting a group of 40 you can devote a lot more time to them than by targeting a group of 100. Most of the OOS guys that commit to Ohio State cite the relationship with specific coaches as one of the main reasons they choose the school. This in shown by the fact that Ohio State leads the nation outside the SEC in recruiting in the state of Florida.
The poster on the Michigan site was using the data so show how inefficient Michigan's scattergun approach to offering recruits was and that it wasn't leading to a higher level of recruit. Before DickWad Michigan's recruiting was more focused and they had higher ranked classes with more national recruits.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:15 am to VABuckeye
Kinda blows that "LSU recruits itself" theory right out of the water.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 8:22 am to Mindenfan
A mack brown offer goes like this ... "i want to offer you a scholarship, but only if you commit to me right now, if you commit you'll have an offer, if you don't commit, then you don't have an offer"
Posted on 2/10/11 at 12:35 pm to VABuckeye
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Michigan 175 20 11.42%
This just seems awful.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 2:18 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
School Total Offers Total Commitments Percentage
Ohio State 64 23 35.93%
MSU 75 21 28%
Penn State 63 16 25.3%
SDSU (Hoke) 108 23 21.29%
FSU 138 29 21.01%
Iowa 110 23 20.9%
Alabama 108 22 20.37%
Auburn 161 24 14.9%
Wisconsin 142 20 14.08%
Florida 140 19 13.5%
Michigan 175 20 11.42%
very interesting - I'd like to see a follow up to know what % of commitments were eligible and then showed up to attend classes
Posted on 2/10/11 at 3:55 pm to molsusports
That would be interesting if all schools brought in the same among of talent. They obviously don't so it's obviously not.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 4:00 pm to molsusports
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very interesting - I'd like to see a follow up to know what % of commitments were eligible and then showed up to attend classes
Well, I can tell you that the Big Ten numbers for that are approaching 100%.
To the last poster. I see 5 teams on that list that bring in about the same level (I think that's what you were insinuating) of talent. Remember this is a Michigan fan making the comparison.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 4:04 pm to VABuckeye
Interesting, but I wonder how valid this really is. This is because there's no standard contract or terms for an "offer". When you're offering a good (not great) player, you would presumably tell him that the offer isn't open forever and you are looking at other players at the same position. If you are offering someone like Rasco, the offer is good until he signs a LOI with someone else.
Posted on 2/10/11 at 4:06 pm to VABuckeye
The data is kind of worthless because most of those offers were just that and were not indicative of any effort the coaches put into recruiting them.
If your a smart recruiter, you throw out offers to kids that you know are talented and then gauge their interest off of the offer. If they shrug it off then you lost the cost of the paper, an envelope and a stamp. If they are interested then you go from there, you might just get a sam montomery.
If your a smart recruiter, you throw out offers to kids that you know are talented and then gauge their interest off of the offer. If they shrug it off then you lost the cost of the paper, an envelope and a stamp. If they are interested then you go from there, you might just get a sam montomery.
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