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If u are 4 or 5* and havent produced
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:57 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 9:57 am
After 1-2 yrs Just jump in portal and get paid before anyone realizes u suck. Thats whats happening. If player chooses to portal for money rather than recognize deficiencies stay and develop then kid likely doesnt have what it takes. What seems like a loss or even a gain from portal often is not. This is what we are seeing.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 10:05 am
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Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:03 am to lsudocts
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If u are 4 or 5* and havent produced
Just jump in portal and get paid before anyone realizes u suck.
There is definitely a lot of truth to this.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:15 am to lsudocts
Could be different variables
1. Money
2. Playing time
3. Homesick
4. Player sucks
5. Other
1. Money
2. Playing time
3. Homesick
4. Player sucks
5. Other
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:19 am to lsudocts
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If u are 4 or 5* and havent produced After 1-2 yrs
You likely never will.......
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:21 am to lsudocts
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If u are 4 or 5* and havent produced after 1-2 yrs Just jump in portal and get paid before anyone realizes u suck.
Eh... you're basically dealing with 4 groups here--
(1) 5* who are in the portal after failing to produce in year 1
(2) 4* who are in the portal after failing to produce in year 1
(3) 5* who are in the portal after failing to produce in year 1 or 2
(4) 4* who are in the portal after failing to produce in year 1 or 2
--and if you're a member of group (2), (3), or (4), it's highly unlikely that you're going to get any sort of major payday in the portal. There are some rare circumstances where it might happen (e.g. a super high-4* leaving after year 1, a 5* leaving after missing year 2 with an injury or some other extenuating circumstance, a guy leaving because he is/was blocked by a stacked group of starters and who also happens to have positive buzz surrounding him/his ability, QBs, etc.), and a fair number of the guys in those categories are gonna get SOME money, but for most of them they're just trying to find a spot where they can get on the field and earn themselves a big payday later on down the line. Nobody was getting into a bidding war last year for jaxon howard or quency wiggins, and nobody is getting into a bidding war this year for shelton sampson or kamorreun pimpton or kylin jackson - just like we probably didn't have to win a bidding war for aaron anderson or jalen lee or bradyn swinson or paris shand or either of the CBs we got from ohio state
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 10:29 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:22 am to lsudocts
Can these kids be sued for lack of performance?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:30 am to Padme
quote:
Could be different variables
1. Money
2. Playing time
3. Homesick
4. Player sucks
5. Other
What about....
1. Money
2. Playing time
3. Smaller school/conference moving up
4. Homesick
5. Player sucks
6. Other
on #3, FCS to BCS or Sunbelt to SEC, etc.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:36 am to themunch
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Can these kids be sued for lack of performance?
On what grounds? And by whom?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:42 am to LifeAquatic
Seems it would be smart to have a clause in the NIL that they can get out of the contract based on performance.
That’s contracting 101
That too could lead to players jumping around
That’s contracting 101
That too could lead to players jumping around
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 10:51 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 10:42 am to themunch
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Can these kids be sued for lack of performance?
If they dont fulfill the obligations of their NIL contract(s)? Yeah, sure they can. If your contract says you have to show up to a car dealership to film a commercial or do a publicity event once a month, or make one social media post per week, or wear a certain brand during an interview, and you don't do it, they can sue you just like anyone else who breaches a contract.
However, the NIL deals that actually factor into recruiting typically aren't like that; they're basically fake - nobody cares all that much about whatever pretend (or not) marketing stuff you agree to do, because everyone knows that the real reason they're paying you is to play football for a particular school (which is against the rules and thus not part of any contract).
So that's reason #1 why you're almost never going to see kids get sued for breaching their NIL deals.
Reason #2 you'll almost never see it is because that's just about the last thing you want to show to the next crop of kids you're recruiting - that you're going to come after them in court if they drop the ball on a deal that everyone knows is largely a sham in the first place.
And reason #3--maybe the biggest one--is because if that ever DID happen, the collective (or some collective-adjacent boosters) is going to have to go through discovery, and you're going to wind up getting torched for NCAA violations that would otherwise be impossible to detect.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 10:45 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:04 am to themunch
Do you ask for your money back after you’ve finished a meal?
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:39 am to Sevensblue
I do what these players do and just walk out. 
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:42 am to lsudocts
So you don't think poor/lack of development play a role in any of these transfers?
...and if you often miss on guys from HS, then that sounds like a poor evaluation issue.
...and if you often miss on guys from HS, then that sounds like a poor evaluation issue.
This post was edited on 12/11/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/11/24 at 11:47 am to Padme
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6. Pu$$y
6. Pu$$y
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:06 pm to lsudocts
quote:
After 1-2 yrs Just jump in portal and get paid before anyone realizes u suck. Thats whats happening. If player chooses to portal for money rather than recognize deficiencies stay and develop then kid likely doesnt have what it takes. What seems like a loss or even a gain from portal often is not. This is what we are seeing.
Sampson
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:15 pm to lsudocts
quote:
After 1-2 yrs Just jump in portal and get paid before anyone realizes u suck. Thats whats happening. If player chooses to portal for money rather than recognize deficiencies stay and develop then kid likely doesnt have what it takes. What seems like a loss or even a gain from portal often is not. This is what we are seeing.
Not sure I completely agree. What we're seeing are top recruits portaling because a school is renegotiating their NIL deal and telling them to take a paycut. Kids don't want none of that and think they can get something similar elsewhere.
The reality is that if you are a highly touted recruit and don't do much in 1-2 years, you're gonna take a paycut either to stay or to go to another team. Lots of these high profile kids get 2 year NIL deals and they get renegotiated/renewed after that period.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:47 pm to TigerFanFromBama
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So you don't think poor/lack of development play a role in any of these transfers?
You can only develop a player who is willing to develop and believes he actually needs development. If its proven coaches then most likely its the kids talent or attitude.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:52 pm to lsudocts
quote:
After 1-2 yrs Just jump in portal and get paid before anyone realizes u suck.
Might be a tad exaggeration of "suck" but you are pretty much spot on. Take Womack as a perfect example. Whether it is the player not having enough talent or not being disciplined on or off the field OR whether the coaching staff doesn't understand his potential, there is 0 doubt he didn't play much...a historical fact. So why would Womack believe that assessment would change after 2 years in the system. I don't blame him for leaving, but I doubt LSU coaches tried to persuade him to stay either. What has Womack got to lose and what have the coaches got to lose.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 12:58 pm to NotaStarGazer
“Suck” may be a bit of my bitterness at current system seeping out. Certainly poor HS evaluations is part of this equation.
Posted on 12/11/24 at 1:01 pm to lsudocts
well considering 98% of student athletes go pro in something other than sports, I have no doubt there are far more portal busts than not.
It's just wild the value on these kids who haven't done anything.
I mean that DT from TCU that we passed on for a million dollars ended up with like 1 sack and 30 tackles on the year.
It's just wild the value on these kids who haven't done anything.
I mean that DT from TCU that we passed on for a million dollars ended up with like 1 sack and 30 tackles on the year.
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