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re: Hootie just decommitted (CONFIRMED)
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:00 pm to JJ27
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:00 pm to JJ27
quote:THAT is something I have an issue with. I keep wondering about that financial agreement.
At least let the kid know something. It's been 4 days and nothing.
Is it still in place?
Do we know FOR SURE one was signed with LSU too?
If it's still in place they can call him.
Hell, if it's still in place he can commit and they have to honor it.
Something doesn't fit. Oh, and don't forget CLM has refused commitments before because he hasn't talked with Mom and/or Dad. Same principle here, if a "family friend" called, once, that may not be good enough. It's common courtesy to call him back, but you can't consider a non-recruit and non-guardian "official" contact. Just can't.
That might even be a violation discussing a recruit by a coach with someone other than the recruit or his legal guardians.
This post was edited on 12/21/13 at 9:05 pm
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Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:02 pm to JJ27
quote:
He said the entire time he was torn. Said it was LSU when he went to bed the night before.
From what I understand, the staff has been recruiting him for a long time. If he doesn't know by now, IMO, I don't think LSU is where he really wants to be. Not to mention he did make a declaration to go elsewhere. With that, and the possibility of getting another top Safety, I also understand if the staff felt that they had to move forward and right away. They invested a couple of years in Hootie. I don't think you can fault the staff for moving forward plus I'm sure there is more to Hootie's recruitment than just a commitment to Bama. I'm all for LSU going for the top in-state talent ... until the pursuit becomes a risk to the class and program as a whole. The staff has to put the best possible team on the field to have a chance to win consistently and thus stay employed. The recruits have to do what they feel is best for their future. Sometimes those things line-up. Sometimes they don't. I would like to see Hootie in the class, but I think the staff has been more than fair and for a very long time.
A general thought: It seems that the staff deals with Jamal and his parents. Tony Brown and his parents. Ed Paris and his parents. Clifton Garrett and his parents. Devin Voorhies, etc.... What's up with the in-state guys that have been recruited for multiple years having representatives to deal with the LSU staff?
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:04 pm to JJ27
quote:does he want to commit now or is he still undecided? what does he want to know from the staff? do i still have a spot while i still decide? these are questions that i have and want to understand after a press conference to announce with everything that was said. i'm not harping on whatever comments his mother made, but that process and what said seemed like a decision was made on their part.
He pushed it back like 5 times. He obviously wasn't ready. If his spot is gone, it's gone. At least let the kid know something. It's been 4 days and nothing.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:04 pm to I20goon
I don't get it. if JA is not a silent to LSU. are you guys saying LSU should not accept a commitment from Hootie tomorrow if hootie called les and tried to commit. ie. turn down a 5* and hope for the best with JA.
reminder. LSU thought it was going to get hootie but he committed to bama. bama thought it would get hampton but he went to ole piss. just because you feel good about JA doesn't mean you get him.
I would not COURT hootie with JA announcing on 1/2 but I would not pass on hootie if he tried to commit tomorrow.
reminder. LSU thought it was going to get hootie but he committed to bama. bama thought it would get hampton but he went to ole piss. just because you feel good about JA doesn't mean you get him.
I would not COURT hootie with JA announcing on 1/2 but I would not pass on hootie if he tried to commit tomorrow.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:04 pm to I20goon
quote:It seems to me that if a financial agreement is in place, then Hootie and Bama could be trying to troll LSU into losing Adams. If a financial agreement is NOT in place, then LSU can't contact Hootie anyway, can they? Much of this is confusing.
THAT is something I have an issue with. I keep wondering about that financial agreement.
Is it still in place?
Do we know FOR SURE one was signed with LSU too?
If it's still in place they can call him.
Hell, if it's still in place he can commit and they have to honor it.
Something doesn't fit.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:05 pm to tigercreole
It's just the north Louisiana kids. It's agent-infested up there.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:05 pm to Lsupimp
quote:
This is where I REALLY lose respect for you. I certainly don't "hate" him. When he picked Bama, I said..."oh well...Next". And that's EXACTLY what LSU did (to their credit).
It's not an indictment of the kid or his character. It's just an acknowledgement that REALITY still applies to Hootie Jones and you and me and everybody else. It's not so much that he burned his bridges (with all the negativity that implies) as it is that he FORCED LSU to go ahead with Plan B (which most here think is a great option). And now that they are honor-bound to Plan B, they damn well better stick to it, or really take a serious integrity-hit.
He can't REJECT THE SPOT and then DEMAND THE SPOT.
That's not how the world works.
You NEVER open that door if you want something. He did. So now he gets to wait and see how it plays out or be proactive and go with another option. Either way he gets to play SEC football, get a free education and hopefully play in the league. This isn't exactly a human rights violation. I mean he WINS no matter what happens, right?
Pimp is dropping straight level-headed, objective, well reasoned logic in this thread.
And for the record, I'd take Hootie back with open arms assuming we have spots available. I'd love both he and Adams on this team. But if Adams has indicated his commitment to this staff, especially after Hootie was given the opportunity and turned it down, then he is absolutely entitled to a spot over Hootie if that's what it comes down to.
And as Pimp said, that's not a condemnation of Hootie or the staff. This is a big decision for Hootie and recruiting is extremely challenging for a coaching staff dealing with the indecisiveness and immaturity of 17/18 year olds. It just is what it is. People love to always make it out like there has to be a good guy and a bad guy. Hopefully if Hootie really does want to be a Tiger he and the staff can find a way to make that happen while LSU maintains it's commitments to those other recruits who pledged their commitments to LSU before Hootie changed his mind.
I'd love to have Hootie a part of this class but if he can't be I'd also love him to NOT go to Bama.
Kid's a player and I'd love to root for him on the college level whether he's on LSU or not but I'm afraid I can't do that if he's at Bama. Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:07 pm to JJ27
quote:
No it's not. LSU wants to take out of state guys, cool. Props on being a national brand. Don't call these kids traitors when they go elsewhere though.
This does not apply with Hootie. He chose Bama over LSU, first. Now, LSU may be choosing Adams over Hootie.
Not calling Hootie a traitor, but he sure doesn't appear to be a victim, either.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:07 pm to oldschoolgreats
quote:I'm saying that's a piece of the puzzle we're missing.
I don't get it. if JA is not a silent to LSU. are you guys saying LSU should not accept a commitment from Hootie tomorrow if hootie called les and tried to commit. ie. turn down a 5* and hope for the best with JA.
IF Adams is a silent some of this could make more sense.
If he is not, it's even more confusing because of the financial agreement AND who called LSU AND why hasn't LSU called back.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:07 pm to JJ27
what happened with hooties mom? i kinda stopped caring when he chose the dark side.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:08 pm to oldschoolgreats
quote:
cam did worst things than hootie. so, are you guys saying that if cam wants back in we should tell him no.
I'm not sure you understand what everybody is saying. It's not about punishing a kid, it's about OTHER COMMITMENTS that have been made, the details of which are known only to the recruit in question and LSU. He might have just lost his spot to a player with an equal or better resume. It's not really about Hootie. It's about LSU. Hootie can take care of Hootie and LSU can take care of LSU, and it looks like that is exactly what is happening.
I think EVERYBODY here would love Hootie and Cam Robinson. But not at the expense of your core principles and by not honoring your current commitments. That would not be a problem with Cam as we NEED an OT in this class. Assuming Adams signs you hhave a minimum THREE OTHER FOUR STAR GUYS THAT COULD PLAY SAFETY-in my man Devin Voohries, John Battle, and Ed Paris.
IF LSU feels like they could sign both, you can bet they will. I think everybody on this board hopes they do.If they are slow-playing him, as JJ27 says, then that means they are undecided/torn in some way. I hope he's a Tiger, but if not, he could literally pick ANY other team in any conference in America. So he wins regardless.
The lesson here for the kid is that you don't overthink these things-when an opportunity knocks-answer the door.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:12 pm to Lsupimp
If LSU has other kids locked up, cool. I want Adams. He's a great player. I'm just saying let the kid know. He'll end up going elsewhere with zero contact from LSU and everyone on here will act like he never intended to go to LSU or spurned them again which isn't true.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:14 pm to JayKrewe
for one thing, i think all this talk about hootie possibly trolling LSU is ABSOLUTE non sense. if JA were not in the picture there would be a massive party on this board with people saying staff go hootie back from bama. massive celebration.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:14 pm to JayKrewe
quote:
what happened with hooties mom? i kinda stopped caring when he chose the dark side
this.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:15 pm to JJ27
quote:Not to be an arse and quote myself...
and don't forget CLM has refused commitments before because he hasn't talked with Mom and/or Dad. Same principle here, if a "family friend" called, once, that may not be good enough. It's common courtesy to call him back, but you can't consider a non-recruit and non-guardian "official" contact. Just can't. That might even be a violation discussing a recruit by a coach with someone other than the recruit or his legal guardians.
But IF, and big if, the contact went down that way after the decommitment maybe someone needs to tweet Hootie "you're doing it wrong!"
quote:No argument there. That is the nature of CFB recruiting. From both the recruit side and the school side.
for one thing, i think all this talk about hootie possibly trolling LSU is ABSOLUTE non sense. if JA were not in the picture there would be a massive party on this board with people saying staff go hootie back from bama. massive celebration.
This post was edited on 12/21/13 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:16 pm to JJ27
quote:
If LSU has other kids locked up, cool. I want Adams. He's a great player. I'm just saying let the kid know. He'll end up going elsewhere with zero contact from LSU and everyone on here will act like he never intended to go to LSU or spurned them again which isn't true.
i agree with that. let me ask you this. did hootie call the alabama staff to decommit or did a family friend do it? if hootie called why can't he call himself to talk to lsu and their staff? i wouldn't call a family friend calling on his behalf sincere or interested to see where he stands if he called alabama himself with the news.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:17 pm to I20goon
I sent text earlier today relaying that message.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:17 pm to JJ27
Has he or someone else on his behalf try calling them again? I know coachs can't call the kids right now.
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:18 pm to I20goon
quote:I don't think it's Bama. If it was, the Gumps would be all cocky about the situation, which they're not at present.
LSU thinks he may lead them on, or someone uses the situation to lead them on (second more plausible)
Posted on 12/21/13 at 9:19 pm to JJ27
quote:Maybe it doesn't depend on JA. There may be another recruit out there that they would rather give the scholarship to IF he were to accept, such as Carter or Macdowell. If they don't land one or both of those 2, maybe they will take JA AND Hootie. ONly the staff can see the whole picture. It does appear that Hootie got himself knocked down the pecking order though. With all the DBs we look to already have coming, it would be foolish to turn down a Carter or Macdowell to take Hootie now.
If LSU has other kids locked up, cool. I want Adams. He's a great player. I'm just saying let the kid know. He'll end up going elsewhere with zero contact from LSU and everyone on here will act like he never intended to go to LSU or spurned them again which isn't true.
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