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Has "the process" become getting processed at Bama.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:17 am
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:17 am
Saw a stat yesterday that since 2018 48% of Bama players signed have transferred from Bama. Wide receiver was arguably their weakest position this year and most of their guys jumped in the portal. These werent 3 star projects. If you listen to Kelly he talks about developing this guy and cant wait to see what he can become. Etc. Saban seems to be recruiting plug and play and try to win with skill over development. (Probably because he knows tenure is coming to an end) Kelly keeps saying team built with freshman and development. Im not saying what Bama is doing is wrong Saban is the Goat but it does make you wonder if this is why his success is starting to waver these last few years. Look 1 guy doesnt make a class. LSU will be fine. Look what Kelly did with these freshman this year. LSU is developing players and the results are showing. Geaux Tigers!
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Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:18 am to southendzoneresident
You can process whoever you want when you sign a class like they did/do
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:18 am to southendzoneresident
This is a LSU recruiting board, take this to the rant.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:20 am to SulphursFinest
Im not saying you can't but is it sustainable? This is regarding recruiting so??
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:29 am to SulphursFinest
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You can process whoever you want when you sign a class like they did/do
and all these 5*s and outside of covid year when they were practically the only team that "miraculously" stayed intact and defeating a OSU team that only played like 7 games, they have not won it all since 2017 and they were a couple of plays away in several games these past two season where they could have easily clapped 5 losses back to back and this was with arguably the best QB in Bama history...
People need to stop melting on losing a recruit...we have flipped other recruits from other programs and gotten players out of Bama ourselves that Saban wanted...its cyclical...
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 7:31 am
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:31 am to LSURulzSEC
Thank you this is exactly what I was saying!
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:34 am to southendzoneresident
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Im not saying you can't but is it sustainable?
Lol how is it even possible that someone is asking if Nick saban’s approach at Alabama is sustainable in the year 2022
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:38 am to southendzoneresident
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Saw a stat yesterday that since 2018 48% of Bama players signed have transferred from Bama.
That sounds a bit suspect. They’ve had 125 HS signees since 2018. 48% would be 60 transfers lost over that period. They’ve brought in 13 transfers from other schools (according to 247) over the same period.
So that would be 125-60+13 = 78 net additions over a 5 year period. Subtract players who exhaust eligibility or go to the draft, and there’s no way they maintain a full roster even with the extra COVID year.
Also our transfer numbers since 2018 aren’t exactly something to brag about.
ETA: After further investigation, 247 shows 19 total transfers out of Alabama in the 2021, 2022, and 2023 cycles. I don’t have data for 2019 (the first cycle where a 2018 recruit would have transferred) or 2020, but they would have needed 41 additional transfers during those two cycles get to 48%. AND that’s assuming all of those transfers came from the 2018 class or later. In reality, some would have come from earlier classes.
So I’m going to say that they probably haven’t lost anything close to 48% of those classes to the portal.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 9:36 am
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:54 am to LifeAquatic
Because this isnt the same approach as Bama during the early years. Bama doesnt look like Bama of old in fact if you want to look at old Bama look no further than Athens. Have you seen any kids go to Bama and develop into better players these past few years? Name me some freshman from Bama that developed into better players that went drafted. I see a team loaded in talent but not developed. Ricks regressed Anderson regressed and basically played frustrated and commited tons of penalties. Bryce made that team and extended plays to keep them in games.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 7:59 am to southendzoneresident
Saban is still stockpiling talent like he always has, but now, he can't stash those kids on his bench for 3-4 years without them transferring. The best players will play and stay at Bama, the kids not playing will leave. That's how it is everywhere in today's college football.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:13 am to southendzoneresident
Bama is no longer the team they once were I don’t care how many players they sign. I don’t know if it’s that they are getting worse or other teams are finally stepping up and getting better or a combination of both but as the past few seasons have shown, they are very beatable by several teams in the SEC now. Hell, they probably should have had 4 losses this year if a few teams they played hadn’t shite the bed at the last minute.
The difference between any team that consecutively recruits in the top 10 is negligible. If you can recruit in the top 10 consistently, you can win a National championship.
The difference between any team that consecutively recruits in the top 10 is negligible. If you can recruit in the top 10 consistently, you can win a National championship.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:31 am to LifeAquatic
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Lol how is it even possible that someone is asking if Nick saban’s approach at Alabama is sustainable in the year 2022
48% turnover isn’t something Saban has been dealing with over his career. This is a new trend, so it’s worth looking at. The results don’t suck, but there’s no denying that he’s fallen behind UGA and they aren’t winning titles.
I’m not betting against Saban, but one of his strengths has been building a strong program culture with player leadership and accountability. That will be a little harder to sustain with that much turnover. He will have to depend on using more freshmen and guys from the portal, and if you take an honest look, he didn’t have typical success with that this season. As much hype as there was around their highly rated-freshmen and their big-name portal haul, only Gibbs really popped on the field. There were no other immediate difference makers.
If anyone can figure it out, it’s probably Saban, but I don’t see him winning a title with that kind of roster turnover. I think it’s more likely that he adjusts other things to get attrition under control. Adjusting to the changing landscape is why he’s remained the best in the business.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 8:42 am to southendzoneresident
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Because this isnt the same approach as Bama during the early years. Bama doesnt look like Bama of old in fact if you want to look at old Bama look no further than Athens. Have you seen any kids go to Bama and develop into better players these past few years? Name me some freshman from Bama that developed into better players that went drafted. I see a team loaded in talent but not developed. Ricks regressed Anderson regressed and basically played frustrated and commited tons of penalties. Bryce made that team and extended plays to keep them in games.
Look no further than their coordinators. Golding has never been elite at anything except recruiting, but Saban isn’t young anymore and couple probably use someone a little better to run the day to day.
BoB is legitimately dragging their offense down from where it was before he arrived. I’m really surprised that Saban hasn’t forced him to move on, because no one is going to voluntarily take him after the way they looked this season. Without Young, that offense could get ugly next year. He’s just not very good and it’s obvious that he’s wasting talent.
Bama’s strength and conditioning has also taken a big step back since Cochran left for UGA. It’s no surprise that they look more like the Bama of 5-10 years ago today. They are being developed the same way those teams were. Look no further than our win over them to see how much they have slipped on both lines.
No one here is saying Bama suddenly sucks, but a couple of so-so hires is all it takes to fall a step behind another top program or two.
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 8:42 am
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:01 am to southendzoneresident
Bama is certainly declining. Saban is operating like a coach who is trying to keep things going as long as he can knowing he is in his last year or two. The next decade is going to be a lot of fun for LSU fans.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:08 am to MildManneredMadness
Little Nicky's been processing players for awhile, just getting far more prevalent lately. He "loads up" every year in recruiting and then again in the portal, and he still can't find a way to win it all (sorry covid yeah doesn't count). He's not the GOAT!
This post was edited on 12/22/22 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:10 am to mpwilging
Eli holstein will probably be the next in a year or two.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:45 am to mpwilging
quote:Steeaaddyy, there.
Little Nicky's been processing players for awhile, just getting far more prevalent lately. He "loads up" every year in recruiting and then again in the portal, and he still can't find a way to win it all (sorry covid yeah doesn't count). He's not to GOAT!
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:46 am to southendzoneresident
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Saw a stat yesterday that since 2018 48% of Bama players signed have transferred from Bama. Wide receiver was arguably their weakest position this year and most of their guys jumped in the portal. These werent 3 star projects.
I believe 3 out of 10 of the scholarship receivers went into the portal. Christian Leary is from Florida, transferred to UCF (seldom played). JoJo Earle is from Texas, transferred to TCU (was a starter when healthy, which wasn't often). Traeshan Holden transferred to Oregon (was a starter). Meanwhile, Thaiu Jones-Bell, who has never had any significant snaps, is still on the team. I don't think any of the 10 receivers were 3 stars.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 9:49 am to GeauxLSU4
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Saban is still stockpiling talent like he always has, but now, he can't stash those kids on his bench for 3-4 years without them transferring. The best players will play and stay at Bama, the kids not playing will leave. That's how it is everywhere in today's college football.
This is the biggest issue for them. Guys that can play and start will transfer with the portal. Drew Sanders is a perfect example. Injuries will happen and instead of having that 4 or 5 star seasoned jr or senior coming in, a freshman will have to play. Our starters will probably be just as good as theirs so it’s evening the playing field. They can’t keep the seasoned depth that they once could b/c it’s too easy to transfer and start elsewhere.
Posted on 12/22/22 at 10:14 am to Townedrunkard
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This is the biggest issue for them. Guys that can play and start will transfer with the portal. Drew Sanders is a perfect example. Injuries will happen and
Your overall point is correct, this is a concern for Bama (and every major program, including LSU) for the future. Drew Sanders is probably not the best example, though. Alabama wanted to move him to ILB, where he would have started this year (he moved to ILB at Arkansas after transferring, anyway). I think he was angry that he didn't get his starting position handed back to him at the end of the previous year, when he returned from an injury. Dallas Turner was playing well at the position at the time.
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