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re: Frank Wilson - Maybe LSU should try to keep this guy around.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 4:45 pm to tiggah1981
Posted on 5/29/11 at 4:45 pm to tiggah1981
quote:not all kids have that dream.
Meh, kids in LA grew up wanting to go to LSU
however, LSU is making a helluva concerted effort of recruiting Louisiana extra hard this year, i'm sure a part of that is keeping future talent at home as well.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 7:53 pm to Barney Rubble
Good example that taking tons of 3 stars is not always a bad move
Posted on 5/29/11 at 9:35 pm to The Egg
Wilson had a relationship with Tyrann Mathiew since he was in the 10th grade. Mathiew didn't just start playing this good, he did the same at st.aug. St.Aug football team wasn't doing so well so LSU never notice the kid.
Wilson also recruited LA when he was at Ole Miss. He recruited Brandon Bolden(starting running back), Mike Wallace(NFL), Kendrick Lewis(NFL) and Benjarvus Green-Ellis(NFL). All starters in the nfl today!
We need wilson! Besides, he also have a great relationship with Landon Collins and Leonard Fournette(st.aug rb).
Wilson also recruited LA when he was at Ole Miss. He recruited Brandon Bolden(starting running back), Mike Wallace(NFL), Kendrick Lewis(NFL) and Benjarvus Green-Ellis(NFL). All starters in the nfl today!
We need wilson! Besides, he also have a great relationship with Landon Collins and Leonard Fournette(st.aug rb).
Posted on 5/29/11 at 9:40 pm to just me
I've gotta be honest, I don't see a pattern.
Posted on 5/29/11 at 10:59 pm to The Egg
quote:
remember that freak committed to TN with FW there.
a soph verbally committing to a school that far away does not mean he'd sign there. Who knows what would have happened, but if you look at it, even in the dark ages, no one school had a pipe line in to La. We lost a lot of big guys, but mostly to different schools.
I think having Frank is a goldmine for LSU if he brings in kids from NOLA.
Posted on 5/30/11 at 2:13 am to H-Town Tiger
Wilson has or is very close to establishing himself as one of college football's top recruiters. Here is one big question to consider: to keep him at LSU for several years, will he have to eventually be named the offensive coordinator? I have a strong feeling he wants to move up & be more than the offensive backfield coach/chief recruiter.
This post was edited on 5/30/11 at 2:29 am
Posted on 5/30/11 at 3:14 am to rjokerlsu
quote:
Wilson has or is very close to establishing himself as one of college football's top recruiters. Here is one big question to consider: to keep him at LSU for several years, will he have to eventually be named the offensive coordinator? I have a strong feeling he wants to move up & be more than the offensive backfield coach/chief recruiter
I don't think a big time school would give him a shot at OC. A smaller school might give him a shot to get a pipeline in LA
Posted on 5/30/11 at 4:13 am to sbd
quote:
Frank Wilson - Maybe LSU should try to keep this guy around.
Wilson had a relationship with Tyrann Mathiew since he was in the 10th grade. Mathiew didn't just start playing this good, he did the same at st.aug. St.Aug football team wasn't doing so well so LSU never notice the kid.
Wilson also recruited LA when he was at Ole Miss. He recruited Brandon Bolden(starting running back), Mike Wallace(NFL), Kendrick Lewis(NFL) and Benjarvus Green-Ellis(NFL). All starters in the nfl today!
We need wilson! Besides, he also have a great relationship with Landon Collins and Leonard Fournette(st.aug rb).
He's a great coach, and probably an even better recruiter. But, he's going to max out his potential as a collegiate coach here. In my honest opinion, he needs to stay here about 5-7 years, minimum. Barring an implosion out of Miles, which I don't foresee, that's an easily achievable goal.
Once that happens, he'll have established bona fides at several stops in the SEC, and also in his backyard at LSU, while providing some longevity & learning the offensive game at the collegiate level.
From there, he'd got a Larry Porter-like shot at a lower-tier school. That's what his goal will be. Because frankly, LSU's never going to hire a first-time coordinator.
Not ever. Not never. Never again. Did I say never?
This is me just spitballing, by the way, but...His ultimate perfect-storm in that sense is at a place like Tulane. That guy would really do a number on our efforts down there, & build that program up with quality football players, as well.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 8:55 am to GeorgeTheGreek
quote:
I've gotta be honest, I don't see a pattern.
You don't see the patern that our football recruiting coordinator is recruiting football players?
Posted on 5/31/11 at 10:15 am to Suntiger
quote:You and George are S-T-U-P-E-D! Just dum and dummer.quote:You don't see the pattern that our football recruiting coordinator is recruiting football players?
I've gotta be honest, I don't see a pattern.
Look at the first names!!
Frank Wilson can pretty much sign, seal, and deliver anyone whose first name begins with a J or a D. That's 2 out of all 26 of the possible letters!! That's like 27% of the alphabet!!
This post was edited on 5/31/11 at 10:42 am
Posted on 5/31/11 at 10:20 am to just me
He's the head recruiting coordinator and it's his job to get kids to come to LSU. Yes he's very good at it, but it's also his job. Same way Porter was good at it when he was head of recruiting.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 10:42 am to Suntiger
wilson is a very, very good recruiter but he has "ELITE" contacts and reputation in N.O. and river parishes.
I know he has a boatload of work in this area but I would like to see Wilson recruit elite talent from out of state. Porter was able to recruit 5 star talent (and high 4 star) from out of state and Wilson needs to recruit some out of state talent. we have our best recruiter on lesser talent this year.
I know he has a boatload of work in this area but I would like to see Wilson recruit elite talent from out of state. Porter was able to recruit 5 star talent (and high 4 star) from out of state and Wilson needs to recruit some out of state talent. we have our best recruiter on lesser talent this year.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:14 am to Larry Hollins
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wilson is a very, very good recruiter but he has "ELITE" contacts and reputation in N.O. and river parishes.
I know he has a boatload of work in this area but I would like to see Wilson recruit elite talent from out of state. Porter was able to recruit 5 star talent (and high 4 star) from out of state and Wilson needs to recruit some out of state talent. we have our best recruiter on lesser talent this year.
I think the best model is for Frank Wilson to continue to recruit La. almost exclusively. It's a huge advantage to have one recruiter that can almost single-handedly lock down this state, allowing the rest of the staff to use their resources on recruiting OOS.
I think, if anything, one flaw in LSU's model is that FW is shouldering a little too much of the burden at the moment. So far, the rest of the staff has been somewhat ineffective in OOS recruiting, except maybe Brick Haley. Hopefully the new special teams coach will be able to rectify this with his contacts in Texas, but he hasn't made any noise yet.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:42 am to tigerfan4120
There are many things about Frank Wilson that make him a terrific recruiter.
First, he is reputable, honest, and trustworthy. Those three attributes count for a lot by themselves. Recruits and parents of recruits need to be able to trust the recruiter.
Second, he works his tail off. Hard work is an absolute prerequisite to being a great recruiter. Contact is important. Face time is important. Travel is important. It all requires hard work.
Third, he is well respected by his peers, particularly in New Orleans and southeast Louisiana. The people who know him, know that he has always done it well and the right way. That counts for a lot.
First, he is reputable, honest, and trustworthy. Those three attributes count for a lot by themselves. Recruits and parents of recruits need to be able to trust the recruiter.
Second, he works his tail off. Hard work is an absolute prerequisite to being a great recruiter. Contact is important. Face time is important. Travel is important. It all requires hard work.
Third, he is well respected by his peers, particularly in New Orleans and southeast Louisiana. The people who know him, know that he has always done it well and the right way. That counts for a lot.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 11:50 am to tigerfan4120
tigerfan, you are making my point. he is the best recruiter and but for haley the rest of the staff is , at best, average SEC LEVEL RECRUITERS. he needs to stay recruiting in NOLA but your best recruiter has to recruit the best talent. la. has good/solid talent this year but not the BEST.
he are slowing being locked in LA. with no Texas recruiter and florida not panning out so far.
he are slowing being locked in LA. with no Texas recruiter and florida not panning out so far.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:05 pm to Larry Hollins
Yeah I see your point too, I just think it is unreasonable to ask one guy to be your main recruiter both in-state and OOS. The rest of the coaches need to pick up the slack OOS and let frank Wilson continue to do his thing in La.
Larry Porter did recruit at a high level out of state. He also had some big misses in-state, like Joe McKnight. I'd rather have the guy that can successfully recruit the highest tier of La. talent and focus solely on that than the guy who can recruit relatively well both in and out of state. If FW were at LSU when McKnight came out, I'm 90% sure he wouldve gone to LSU. Likewise, if Larry Porter were still at LSU instead of FW, we may have missed on some really big time players last year.
I just don't see where FW needs to start focusing OOS. That's what the rest of the recruiting coaches need to be on...if you have any gripes it should be with those coaches lack of success OOS and not FW...
Larry Porter did recruit at a high level out of state. He also had some big misses in-state, like Joe McKnight. I'd rather have the guy that can successfully recruit the highest tier of La. talent and focus solely on that than the guy who can recruit relatively well both in and out of state. If FW were at LSU when McKnight came out, I'm 90% sure he wouldve gone to LSU. Likewise, if Larry Porter were still at LSU instead of FW, we may have missed on some really big time players last year.
I just don't see where FW needs to start focusing OOS. That's what the rest of the recruiting coaches need to be on...if you have any gripes it should be with those coaches lack of success OOS and not FW...
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:39 pm to tigerfan4120
I don't have any gripes with FW but I don't think he would have gotten McKnight who thought he was reggie bush and was probably rewarded for going to USC.
I'm only saying you have to be somewhat flexible in how you utilize your best talent (FW) and this year he COULD have a few OOS guys to look at. furthermore, the guys FW has gotten commits from are locks and he won't have much work to do on 2012 guys going forward (on to 2013 & 2014).
while he does have his hands full, I don't think it took A WHOLE LOT OF WORK to get commitments from these last 3 guys.
I'm only saying you have to be somewhat flexible in how you utilize your best talent (FW) and this year he COULD have a few OOS guys to look at. furthermore, the guys FW has gotten commits from are locks and he won't have much work to do on 2012 guys going forward (on to 2013 & 2014).
while he does have his hands full, I don't think it took A WHOLE LOT OF WORK to get commitments from these last 3 guys.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 12:54 pm to Larry Hollins
Well, maybe not Sandolph and Hawkins, but Correy Raymond has gotten 45 offers over the last three weeks. He couldve picked his school if he wanted to wait it out, but Wilson got him locked up early. There's something to be said for that.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 1:32 pm to tigerfan4120
Wilson was McKnight's recruiter for Ole Miss if I remember right.
Posted on 5/31/11 at 1:57 pm to NIH
Yes he was, and FW was the sole reason why mcknight had Ole Miss in his final 3 schools. Joe McKnight would not have given Ole Miss a second look if it weren't for FW.
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